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achrn  
#1 Posted : 24 September 2013 09:02:33(UTC)
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achrn

http://www.hse.gov.uk/my...ouncy-castle-glasses.htm The myth busters say it is "a pity" that the operator of a bouncy castle refused to go against HSE advice. I think this is a new level of barminess even for the myth panel - it's now apparently HSE advice that you should ignore HSE advice even when the advice in question is intended exactly for the situation under consideration. Can anyone see it working as a defence in court - "I knew that was the HSE advice, but it seemed a pity to make someone follow it so I knowingly ignored it..."?
pete48  
#2 Posted : 24 September 2013 10:16:26(UTC)
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pete48

Mmm, does it say that? It says "it is a pity that the attendant did not adopt a more accommodating attitude to find a solution that could have allowed the child his turn on the bouncy castle." Doesn't the general guidance say "Users should not wear shoes, should take their glasses off IF THEY CAN and pockets should be emptied of all sharp or dangerous items." (my caps for identification). Not my specific area but just a thought. p48
Ron Hunter  
#3 Posted : 24 September 2013 12:28:40(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

The real pity is that HSE continue to waste resources on this.
colinreeves  
#4 Posted : 24 September 2013 17:04:17(UTC)
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colinreeves

Pete 48 seems to have actually read the summary. #1 seems to be selective in reading to reach a particular end. Not wanting to be controversial, but surely the point of the panel is to use common sense and not give sustinence to Daily Wail type comments!
Ron Hunter  
#5 Posted : 24 September 2013 22:38:22(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

The Daily Wail will continue to derive (or create) sustenance irrespective of effort by HSE. HSE are IMHO imparting a degree of credibility by entering this area of discussion. The issues are rarely, if ever, anything to do with H&S or HSE. Any idiot can see this without HSE wasting time attempting to deal with this nonsense.
achrn  
#6 Posted : 25 September 2013 08:35:20(UTC)
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achrn

colinreeves wrote:
Pete 48 seems to have actually read the summary. #1 seems to be selective in reading to reach a particular end.
You're claiming that the glasses were surgically fitted to the head of the child, and therefore they could not take them off, presumably? What, exactly, would have happened had they gone on the bouncy castle wearing glasses and some other child were injured? How does the operator justify failure to follow HSE guidance then? If HSE is now saying that glasses on bouncy castles are OK, they should revise the guidance, not criticise people for following it. The point of the panel is clearly to deny that any decision can validly be informed by health and safety concerns. It doesn't matter if it is or not - say it isn't. Like the early decision which said that food hygiene in a cafe was nothing to do with health, this decision that says it's a pity the operator followed HSE guidance on safety continues to demonstrate the pointlessness of the panel. Many of the decisions don't advance understanding at all - they set it back.
pete48  
#7 Posted : 25 September 2013 20:19:00(UTC)
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pete48

I am not suggesting anything. I am merely quoting the guidance note. As I said this is not my area and I was just questioning your interpretation of the note. You have me puzzled once again by your reading of the phrase 'if they can'. Surely it simply recognises, as in this case, that some may not be able to use the facility unless they are wearing their glasses. Why would it mean anything else? Does the HSE or any other guidance note ban the wearing of spectacles in any circumstance? If it does then your point is valid; if not then the panel has the validity. Perhaps someone with sector experience would like to comment? I agree with you that the panel is a waste of time and should be closed down. However this is not because of the way they issue notes or any suggested lack of professionalism. It is because the HSE is not the right department to be doing this political posturing; if indeed anyone should be doing it. The purpose is fatally flawed as you note. Lets remember why it was commissioned and the political imperative of the time. Constantly criticising their work is unlikely to improve the 'understanding' of those who are the target audience.
firesafety101  
#8 Posted : 25 September 2013 22:05:33(UTC)
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firesafety101

IMO bouncy castles are dangerous and should be banned. Think about it - you can fall and hurt your neck possible ending up paralysed, you will bump into other "bouncers" potentially causing harm to them, you can bounce off the bouncy castle and hurt yourself on the hard ground surrounding, you can bounce over the side wall and land on who knows what. Once they have been banned you don't need to worry about all the other things like wearing glasses, sharp objects in pockets and small children on the bouncy castle at the same time as adults. Has the operator actually risk assessed the activity? OK this should be a Friday thread and I know you will all laugh at my post, I have tongue firmly in cheek, but there is some seriousness in what I say.
DavidGault  
#9 Posted : 26 September 2013 15:07:21(UTC)
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DavidGault

I think adults should be banned from them The only injuries I have seen have been adult drunken idiots who have twisted their knees. Kids seem to bounce more easily.
Victor Meldrew  
#10 Posted : 26 September 2013 17:04:21(UTC)
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Victor Meldrew

DavidGault wrote:
I think adults should be banned from them The only injuries I have seen have been adult drunken idiots who have twisted their knees. Kids seem to bounce more easily.
Hold on a minute - you would deprive Papa & Nanny of having great fun with our little Grandson? We are all quite safe you know..... bouncing on our knees...... he & his mates love it as well, hours of fun :-)
firesafety101  
#11 Posted : 26 September 2013 17:18:13(UTC)
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firesafety101

They are not disabled friendly as there is no access provided for wheelchair users. OK while you have a laugh at what I say think about the wheelchair user who has to sit and watch while his/her friends and siblings have all the fun of the bouncy castle. Not good for self esteem, self confidence and certainly not fun.
Victor Meldrew  
#12 Posted : 26 September 2013 20:50:29(UTC)
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Victor Meldrew

I don't believe it....... that must eventually signal the end of playgrounds then - both in schools & parks.
teh_boy  
#13 Posted : 27 September 2013 08:38:51(UTC)
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teh_boy

achrn wrote:
What, exactly, would have happened had they gone on the bouncy castle wearing glasses and some other child were injured? How does the operator justify failure to follow HSE guidance then? .
The massive trouble is here we live in a sad world where people sue other people for ridiculous things. This is the sad reality. This has nothing to do with statue law or common sense safety... it has everything to do with the type of society we have created.
Victor Meldrew  
#14 Posted : 27 September 2013 13:49:09(UTC)
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Victor Meldrew

teh_boy wrote:
The massive trouble is here we live in a sad world where people sue other people for ridiculous things. This is the sad reality. This has nothing to do with statue law or common sense safety... it has everything to do with the type of society we have created.
So right - Too many people see H&S as a convenient excuse to not do something or to ‘bar’ peoples pleasures…...
gramsay  
#15 Posted : 27 September 2013 14:01:43(UTC)
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gramsay

Victor Meldrew wrote:
teh_boy wrote:
The massive trouble is here we live in a sad world where people sue other people for ridiculous things. This is the sad reality. This has nothing to do with statue law or common sense safety... it has everything to do with the type of society we have created.
So right - Too many people see H&S as a convenient excuse to not do something or to ‘bar’ peoples pleasures…...
Don't we need to stop bewailing this "claims culture" and get on with our jobs? Make H&S decisions based on what you believe to be the right course of action and be prepared to stand up and say so afterwards. I didn't mean that to disparage any of what you both said though - just that this is a particular bug of mine. Coincidentally I'm just back (30 mins ago) from an H&S court appearance, which may explain my reaction! Is it pub o'clock yet?
teh_boy  
#16 Posted : 27 September 2013 14:10:39(UTC)
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teh_boy

gramsay wrote:
Is it pub o'clock yet?
Just got back from a pub lunch... I have an hour of work and then... p.s. You have to blame someone :) Happy Friday
Nicola Kemmery  
#17 Posted : 27 September 2013 16:02:16(UTC)
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Nicola Kemmery

As a glasses wearing child (now a contact lens wearing adult) I would have been a far greater risk without my glasses on a bouncy castle than with them. And so would everyone else!
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