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chas  
#1 Posted : 27 September 2013 16:25:03(UTC)
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chas

Whilst this is more to do with safeguarding than H&S it is a query that has been thrown in my direction and the guidance I have found is not entirely clear. Are building contractors who are working on a school site for a month or more required to be CRB/DBS checked? My understanding is that they are not in a regulated activity although they may need checking if they will be on site for more than 4 days in a 30 day period and since they may have an opportunity for contact with the children, albeit incidentally. Is that correct and how is this usually managed/tackled within the building trade and schools. I would welcome a pointer to some good, clear and coherent guidance. The guidance I have read from the DfE and DBS has only confused me! Thanks in advance.
Ron Hunter  
#2 Posted : 27 September 2013 17:16:20(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Hi chas. I don't have an answer for you, (things are different in Scotland anyway) but I am curious where that '4 days in 30' comes from?
Frank Hallett  
#3 Posted : 28 September 2013 10:09:56(UTC)
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Frank Hallett

Most important question:- Why are the contractors not able to be fully segregated from the pupils? The implication of the original question is that there is not total segregation & that raises additional H&S issues. Frank Hallett
djupnorth  
#4 Posted : 28 September 2013 13:26:43(UTC)
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djupnorth

Chas, My understanding of the Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups act 2006 (as amended) is that since the coming into force of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, only those undertaking a 'Regulated Activity' relating to children fall within the scope of the Disclosure & Barring Service ("DBS"). In broad terms Regulated Activities relating to children are work (whether paid or unpaid) that involves certain close interaction with children or, in specified places, the opportunity for contact with children. An activity is "regulated" if all five of the following criteria are met, namely that the activity: i. is carried out at a school; ii. is undertaken under a contract for the provision of one of the five specified types of activity (e.g. care and supervision of children, teaching, providing advice or guidance to children, moderating public electronic communications or, conveying children) other than on a temporary or occasional basis; iii. is carried out frequently (e.g. more than 3 days in any 30 day period); iv. is carried out in connection with the purposes of the school; and v. gives a person the opportunity to have [unsupervised] contact with children. In light of the above and assuming all the requirements of CDM are met, including fencing off the building works, I don't believe that undertaking building work at a school would fall within the scope of DBS. That said, once you relate the facts of the your situation into the above criteria, you may decide differently. I hope this helps. DJ
bob youel  
#5 Posted : 30 September 2013 07:26:56(UTC)
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bob youel

Additional to the regs themselves and all the other guidance inclusive of 'regulated activities' the area is subject to risk assessment via the management regs and thereafter a decision is made and if it is foreseeable etc, that a hazardous interface is poss then checks are to be made irrespective of the 'regulated activities' list In many many cases people have been CRB'ed where there was no need and that has been a big problem; another one is the question of who pays for such checks as people needing jobs are paying for them themselves because of the fear of not getting a job Plus anybody working with schools knows that in most situations it is not possible to segregate all CDM jobs off from the normal running of the school e.g. you cannot stop lessons for the replacement of one light fitting etc. so jobs are undertaken around the needs of the lessons etc.
chas  
#6 Posted : 30 September 2013 08:45:38(UTC)
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chas

Thanks for your comments. To respond to a couple of points raised so far the criteria of 4 or more days in a 30 day period comes from the DBS guidance and total segregation is not possible because the contractors have to cross the car park and school grounds in order to get to the site in question which is problematical for a whole host of obvious and not so obvious reasons. There is no alternative and the work is likely to take 12 months or so. The sticking point for Management is the wording of the guidance which states DBS vetting is required ".....where there is an opportunity for face to face contact." This is a wide ranging statement and to many people it means all contractors who are likely to work on site for 4 or more days will require vetting by the DBS. The problem then is the fact that it takes 6+ weeks to turn round the information and a lot of schools are going to have problems in the future especially in the summer holidays when a school may be closed to pupils but open for other activities involving children, eg holiday clubs/summer schools etc. I am interested how others may have addressed this issue.
bob youel  
#7 Posted : 30 September 2013 09:54:02(UTC)
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bob youel

can you provide a link to the DBS guide?
chas  
#8 Posted : 30 September 2013 10:10:53(UTC)
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chas

Bob, Link is as follows; https://www.gov.uk/gover...s/dbs-regulated-activity The specific document in question is that which refers to children.
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