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The scaffolding company we use provide us with approximately 50 scaffolds a week on domestic properties.
The scaffold company have asked if they can provide our install teams (Approx 10) with a ladder each and then be responsible for the inspection.
Can anyone see any flaws in this idea or is this a cost effective solution ?
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There's no flaw, it's perfect. Just beware, they'll charge you for it.
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This will be done at no extra charge due to the amount of work we give them.
I will get a written agreement from them that they are responsible for the maintenance / repair / inspection of the ladders
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9yally wrote:The scaffold company have asked if they can provide our install teams (Approx 10) with a ladder each and then be responsible for the inspection. You don't make clear who's going to be responsible for the inspection? IF it's your Team, presumably they have requisite competency. My guess is this is provision of a ladder to access first lift. What about ladders between lifts?
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It sounds too good to be true but I'm probably just jealous. My experience of scaffold companies is that they are a perfect fit for what they are offering and they will provide inspection records for these individual ladders just like for a regular scaffold.
Never look a gift horse in the mouth
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The ladder will be for first lift access only, all the scaffolds will be one lift due to being on domestic properties.
The ladder will be inspected pre use by our install teams but the formal inspections, repairs etc will be carried out by the scaffold contractor
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...and now I'm confused.
They provide a scaffold but not the means to access it. They provide your teams with a ladder each. Your team then brings the ladder to site where the scaffold already exists and uses the provided ladder to then access the scaffold?
Is this right? I've just never heard of such a system. Is this safety at work here, in that when your team leaves they take the access ladder with them to reduce the possibility that the scaffold will then be accessed by others?
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Well it's more due to the ladders being stolen on site and the amount of jobs this one scaffolding company erects for us.
It's easier for him to provide us with the ladders and maintain them
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OK, I can understand that. I wouldn't be used to doing things that way. I'm used to more secure sites so I can see why you wound need to go down that road.
I do have a question, though. Our scaffolders are responsible for weekly inspection and tagging, which is based on the understanding that it will not be interfered with. If your people are attaching and removing ladders, how do you know that they are doing this every bit as well as a scaffolder would?
How does the scaffolder sign off on the scaffold knowing that someone else will be attaching and removing ladders? Are you team given inspection training to allow them check the scaffold before attaching the ladder?
I'd guess you have answers for all this, I'm genuinely interested in how you navigate around this situation. It's very different to what I'm used to.
PS there's no judgement here.
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Thanks for your comments Mick, some of the points I had not considered.
My company have our own hand over / first inspection certificate which we issue to the scaffolding company to use.
This eliminates the need for my guys to inspect as they will normally use the scaffold the day after erection and will only need it for half a day.
I could provide a short training course on how to fix the ladders, or even better get the scaffolder to do this and get him to sign them off ?
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I have been thinking about your comments regarding the hand over certificate being invalid due to my guys fixing or altering the scaffold.
What if was to get the scaffold contactor to provide training to my guys on how to fix the ladder ?
What's everyone's thoughts on this ?
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9yally wrote:
I have been thinking about your comments regarding the hand over certificate being invalid due to my guys fixing or altering the scaffold.
What if was to get the scaffold contactor to provide training to my guys on how to fix the ladder ?
What's everyone's thoughts on this ?
I have managed 100`s of scaffolds the way that you are proposing, and I am guessing that you are working around social housing (although I could be wrong). Firstly, the handover certificate is valid for 7 days after first inspection. Thereafter, scaffolds should be inspected as per: http://www.nasc.org.uk/v...ificates_and_inspectionsSecondly, if you specify to the scaffold company that you have ladder clips for these ladders,you will not be tampering with the scaffold stability. The types of clips I am referring is similar to the next link: http://www.alibaba.com/p...ng_ladder_clamp.html?s=p Make sure theses ladders are used correctly: http://www.hse.gov.uk/falls/wait/fixedscaffold.htmThirdly, with regard to competency, you need to give your guys work at height training as per legal requirements: http://www.alibaba.com/p...ng_ladder_clamp.html?s=pYou can incorporate the use of these clips in your training. If you are receiving ladders from the scaffold company, ensure they are inspected formally periodically and conform to industrial standard (class 1). Lastly, with regards to your scaffold company inspecting scaffolds there after, I would advise a third party scaffold company do this or, in house scaffold inspectors rather than the company who erected the scaffold. Otherwise, the company who erected the scaffold might be rather lenient during inspections as they will not want to highlight faults on their own scaffolds. Hope that helps!
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