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sean McCANN  
#1 Posted : 10 October 2013 16:30:12(UTC)
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sean McCANN


Is it legisltaion to have factory over head gantry cranes loewered to the ground and serviced every ten years .

JJ Prendergast  
#2 Posted : 10 October 2013 16:48:24(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

No
TJA  
#3 Posted : 10 October 2013 17:04:24(UTC)
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TJA

Again...No
CarlT  
#4 Posted : 10 October 2013 21:37:58(UTC)
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CarlT

That would be a no then. However, that doesn't make it a bad idea.
alexmccreadie13  
#5 Posted : 11 October 2013 08:34:55(UTC)
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alexmccreadie13

Providing the Crane is serviced ,maintained and thoroughly examined by a competent engineer at the correct intervals, why should you try to lower it to the ground every 10 years.

Still a No
PIKEMAN  
#6 Posted : 11 October 2013 08:59:37(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

It comes under LOLER so should have a scheme of examination see reg 9 of LOLER http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/l113.pdf

So I can't see a need for this ten year operation - unless your competent person says so............
Animax01  
#7 Posted : 11 October 2013 14:18:52(UTC)
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Animax01

I agree with all of the above... I assume that it was commissioned into use and has a safe working load clearly marked?
jontyjohnston  
#8 Posted : 14 October 2013 14:24:05(UTC)
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jontyjohnston

Sorry to disagree with the No's but the answer is maybe!

Depending upon the age of the crane and type it might require beam deflection tests to check that the SWL remains the same.

Beam deflection tests require the beam to be on the ground so that the point loads can be applied and the beam deflection measured.

Your competent person will advise.

J
Jane Blunt  
#9 Posted : 14 October 2013 14:41:22(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

jontyjohnston wrote:
Sorry to disagree with the No's but the answer is maybe!

Depending upon the age of the crane and type it might require beam deflection tests to check that the SWL remains the same.

Beam deflection tests require the beam to be on the ground so that the point loads can be applied and the beam deflection measured.

Your competent person will advise.

J


That seems a little odd. The deflection of a beam for a given load depends on its geometry and Young's modulus. The Young's modulus of the beam will not degrade with time, so the deflection under load should remain the same indefinitely.

Or is the competent person asking for this as there is insufficient evidence of the correct identification of the SWL in the first place?
JJ Prendergast  
#10 Posted : 14 October 2013 15:16:09(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

jontyjohnston wrote:
Sorry to disagree with the No's but the answer is maybe!

Depending upon the age of the crane and type it might require beam deflection tests to check that the SWL remains the same.

Beam deflection tests require the beam to be on the ground so that the point loads can be applied and the beam deflection measured.

Your competent person will advise.

J


Do you have a referrence for this test? A British Standard etc. Never heard of this requirement.

Also if the beam of the crane is on the ground, how can it deflect under load. I assume its supported on something?

I agree with Jane. The deflection can be calculated using the Engineers Bending Equation.


achrn  
#11 Posted : 14 October 2013 16:11:27(UTC)
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achrn

Jane Blunt wrote:

That seems a little odd. The deflection of a beam for a given load depends on its geometry and Young's modulus. The Young's modulus of the beam will not degrade with time, so the deflection under load should remain the same indefinitely.


Unless there's been significant corrosion of the members, in which case both stiffness (ie deflection) and strength would be affected. But if it is that badly corroded, I'd expect alarm bells to be ringing about the standard of maintenance anyway.

Even if it were necessary to do a deflection test, I'm not sure why you wouldn't do it in-situ: you'd either use an optical level or a laser beam. Doing it with the beam in-situ requires work at height, but in this case the hazards associated with that (if planned properly) are not necessarily greater than the hazards with lowering the crane beam and then raising it again. I'd certainly consider doing it in place.
alexmccreadie13  
#12 Posted : 14 October 2013 18:04:16(UTC)
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alexmccreadie13

I am glad I did not ask a simple question like this

Is it legislation to have factory over head gantry cranes lowered to the ground and serviced every ten years .

I feel as if I am on a Nuclear physicist site.

Ta Alex
achrn  
#13 Posted : 15 October 2013 08:12:23(UTC)
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achrn

alexmccreadie13 wrote:
I am glad I did not ask a simple question like this

Is it legislation to have factory over head gantry cranes lowered to the ground and serviced every ten years .

I feel as if I am on a Nuclear physicist site.



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