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Bill6152  
#1 Posted : 18 October 2013 09:11:05(UTC)
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Bill6152

Member of staff turned to place a light tube box (light in weight) in a cage and trapped a testicle between his thighs.

Taken to GP who then referred him to the hospital (ambulance blue flashing lights); he has been diagnosed with a ‘testicular torsion’ and is awaiting emergency surgery. Most common underlying cause is a congenital malformation known as a "bell-clapper deformity" wherein the testis is inadequately affixed to the scrotum allowing it to move freely on its axis and susceptible to induced twisting of the cord and its vessels.

Would you stil report as a Riddor?

Thanks


B.Bruce  
#2 Posted : 18 October 2013 09:14:31(UTC)
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B.Bruce

Ouch!

My best mate suffered from this when he was 17yo. He said it was the painful experience of his life...........utterly horrible!

I think, given it was probably exacerbated by his work, this would be reported as a RIDDOR.
safetyamateur  
#3 Posted : 18 October 2013 09:29:22(UTC)
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safetyamateur

With the benefit of hindsight, it's a shame that the individual didn't share information about his condition with the employer and his colleagues, enabling a suitable and sufficient risk assessment to take place which in all probability would have identified the need for a nominated/volunteering colleague to support his scrotum during this type of activity.

I suppose we can all learn from this.
SW  
#4 Posted : 18 October 2013 09:33:07(UTC)
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SW

No, I would not report.

Safety Smurf  
#5 Posted : 18 October 2013 09:34:19(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Had report several months ago of a 'male member' of staff having an accident in the bathroom. He was sat on the toilet and the seat broke loose and slid off the side of toilet. he was 'wheels down' at the time. lots of pain and a little blood but thankfully that was all.
Canopener  
#6 Posted : 18 October 2013 11:13:16(UTC)
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Canopener

I am not sure if I would. But as it’s Friday I thought I would share an anecdote from an acquaintance whose friend regularly attended a naturist camp.

The chap was sitting with others on a slatted bench, watching the world go by (or a game of volleyball or whatever). The others subsequently got up leaving the chap sitting on his own. A while later when he tried to get up he couldn’t; his ‘bits’ having become trapped between the slats. His release from this misfortune was dependant on getting others to sit back down on the bench in order to open up the slats! Perhaps a good thing that it wasn’t last thing at night when everybody else had gone to bed.

Strange, but apparently true!
alistair  
#7 Posted : 18 October 2013 12:22:38(UTC)
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alistair

See, the RIDDOR guidance is really poor as it doesn't refer to this as an example.

Surely it is definitely reportable? The employer should have known that the employee had a bell-clapper deformity. He could then have carried out a suitable and sufficient risk assessment resulting in two colleagues holding an end of the tube box, while he supported it in the centre and, at the same time, another two colleagues could have carefully rolled the cage under the tube box allowing for an injury free deposit of the box on to the cage.

From the resultant investigation by the HSE a new set of Regulations would appear - "The prevention of injuries to testicles regulations 2013".

Or maybe I am just talking bo**ocks.
Ron Hunter  
#8 Posted : 18 October 2013 12:55:40(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Surely non-conformance issues associate with Meat and Two Veg / Plums would be covered under Food Safety Legislation?
Bill6152  
#9 Posted : 18 October 2013 12:59:13(UTC)
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Bill6152

Try as I have, cant find the meat and two veg regs anywhere?
Graham Bullough  
#10 Posted : 18 October 2013 13:15:07(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Some of the above responses remind me of a warning notice for hospitals and care homes, etc., from the former Medical Devices Directorate in the 1990s. My recollection is that it advised that one or more makes of moulded plastic seats for bath hoists had been mis-designed and needed to be used with towel coverings until they could be replaced. The problem was that the drainage holes within the seats were too large and had caused injuries for some men when their appendages slipped into and became caught by the holes. My colleagues at the time agreed that even the thought of any man being caught on such a seat was a painful. Furthermore, we didn't think it constituted any cause for amusement: Consider how annoying and distressing such an avoidable incident would be if it involved a relative in hospital or care home, especially an elderly one with dementia who might well be unaware of becoming caught by a badly designed seat.

As for Bill6152's original question as to whether or not the scenario he describes is RIDDOR reportable, my response is no. The situation stemmed from a medical condition and probably could have happened almost anywhere and at any time. There was nothing notable about the work activity which foreseeably exacerbated the condition. Furthermore, it's 99% certain that no inspector from HSE or an LA would consider investigating the matter or even asking for more information if a RIDDOR notification were made and mentioned the medical diagnosis.

p.s. By answering the question I've broken my long-held policy of not responding to RIDDOR threads. Mind you, I suppose I already broke it big-style earlier this week by starting a thread with RIDDOR in its title. However, that thread did accord with my policy somehow because it was parodied the preponderance of RIDDOR threads and how some forum users seem to react to RIDDOR threads rather as moths are attracted to a light ! :-)


alistair  
#11 Posted : 18 October 2013 13:31:20(UTC)
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alistair

My first attempt got barred - second attempt, abridged as necessary -

You see, the RIDDOR guidance is really poor as it doesn't refer to this as an example.

Surely it is definitely reportable? The employer should have known that the employee had a bell-clapper deformity. He could then have carried out a suitable and sufficient risk assessment resulting in two colleagues holding an end of the tube box, while he supported it in the centre and, at the same time, another two colleagues could have carefully rolled the cage under the tube box allowing for an injury free deposit of the box on to the cage.

From the resultant investigation by the HSE a new set of Regulations would appear - "The prevention of injuries to testicles regulations 2013".

Or maybe I am just talking cracker jacks!
Hally  
#12 Posted : 18 October 2013 13:32:26(UTC)
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Hally

I remember watching Phil Babb (ex Liverpool and others Footballer) clearing a ball off the line and sliding into one of the posts with a leg either side.
CRN Baker  
#13 Posted : 18 October 2013 13:51:49(UTC)
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CRN Baker

Just a thought / observation... some people do not know they have a condition until it strikes, so insisting staff notify is all well and good if they are aware of the issue. What happens if they're not aware, are they to be penalised after the event for not knowing??

safetyamateur  
#14 Posted : 18 October 2013 14:24:32(UTC)
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safetyamateur

I think it's reasonable to assume that this individual's scrotum had displayed similar behaviour prior to the incident.
B.Bruce  
#15 Posted : 18 October 2013 14:46:54(UTC)
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B.Bruce

safetyamateur wrote:
I think it's reasonable to assume that this individual's scrotum had displayed similar behaviour prior to the incident.


Ba!!s to your assumption. ;)

My best mate had never suffered from the condition before and has never since. As CRN Baker quite rightly points out, its wrong to assume..............

safetyamateur  
#16 Posted : 18 October 2013 15:03:21(UTC)
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safetyamateur

I find it hard to believe that someone with "bell-clapper deformity" wherein the testis is inadequately affixed to the scrotum allowing it to move freely on its axis and susceptible to induced twisting of the cord and its vessels would not have experienced a degree of discomfort in normal work/home activities, let alone sporting activity such as rugby or indeed wiff-waff as a child/youth.
alistair  
#17 Posted : 18 October 2013 15:07:46(UTC)
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alistair

And I thought it was a bit of a Friday post!

I think safetyamateur was adding a touch of humour and, albeit a very painful experience, if we are thinking that this is a RIDDOR reportable incident then I am in the wrong job.
firesafety101  
#18 Posted : 18 October 2013 15:56:27(UTC)
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firesafety101

You didn't name the poor chap? I wonder if it was that famous Chinese chap with a similar issue his name is "One Hung Lo"

Merv  
#19 Posted : 18 October 2013 17:39:43(UTC)
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Merv

You might try this link sent to me by my australian niece.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/2kpjnGWPmj0

Are you sitting comfortably ?
Graham Bullough  
#20 Posted : 19 October 2013 10:45:44(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Thanks to Merv for sharing the Australian clip with an amusing and frightening tale which ties with the contents of responses #6 and #10. Hope Trevor made a swift and full recovery from his mental and physical ordeal. For those of us involved in training, the clip included a good example of one simple visual aid selected and used to great effect.

Now to break yet again my personal policy about RIDDOR threads - if the Australian scenario had occurred in the UK, would the event organiser and/or the seating contractor have needed to make a RIDDOR notification about it?!!! :-)

Also, apologies to Bill6152 for how this thread has deviated from its original gist. That's what can happen with some threads - they twist and turn. Well, not the best metaphor for this particular thread I suppose, so better instead to say that threads can develop/evolve in unexpected ways and thus help to keep the forum interesting.
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