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Robert Gibson  
#1 Posted : 25 October 2013 08:22:04(UTC)
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Robert Gibson

Good morning Please can someone advise me with regards to RIDDOR classifications. We had an employee fall down a flight of stairs whilst carrying a chair from one office to another - there were no defects with the stairs. As this employee was absent for more than 7 days it has been reported as a RIDDOR incident and is being investigated appropriately. The manager who reported it online classifiied it as a 'Fall from Height' within the options given on the on-line RIDDOR report. I disagree with this classification as I think it's more a 'slip, trip or fall'. I am working from the fact that in the Working at Height Regulations 2005 -working at height does not include a set of stairs within a permanent building. Am I confusing 2 separate issues here? Is a 'Fall from Height' the correct classfication for this incident? Semantically speaking it is a fall from height but I am looking more towards the WoH Regs. When I google 'Falls from Height' it takes me immediately to the Working at Height page of the HSE internet pages just to confuse me even more! Many thanks for your assistance
achrn  
#2 Posted : 25 October 2013 08:35:55(UTC)
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achrn

I'd put it as slip-trip-fall. Fall-from-height implies free-falling more than the height of the person to me. So if they fell over the side of the stairs and dropped some distance before hitting anything I'd say fall-from-height but if they fall on the stairs and bounced/tumbled to the bottom I'd put slip-trip-fall. Fall from height is more than just a fall that starts at some elevation. If you were on the 12th storey of a building and tripped over your shoelaces landing on the floor you were standing on, that wouldn't be a fall-from-height, even though you fell and you were 12 storeys up when you fell. But I'm not convinced it really matters.
Canopener  
#3 Posted : 25 October 2013 08:40:28(UTC)
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Canopener

I would also suggest a S, T or F but it doesn't really make any odds. Does it? It's been reported, presumably the narrative expands on the situation. Job done. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it
Robert Gibson  
#4 Posted : 25 October 2013 08:56:33(UTC)
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Robert Gibson

achrn wrote:
I'd put it as slip-trip-fall. Fall-from-height implies free-falling more than the height of the person to me. So if they fell over the side of the stairs and dropped some distance before hitting anything I'd say fall-from-height but if they fall on the stairs and bounced/tumbled to the bottom I'd put slip-trip-fall. Fall from height is more than just a fall that starts at some elevation. If you were on the 12th storey of a building and tripped over your shoelaces landing on the floor you were standing on, that wouldn't be a fall-from-height, even though you fell and you were 12 storeys up when you fell. But I'm not convinced it really matters.
You thinking achrm is exactly the same as mine but the slip, trip, fall classification on RIDDOR suggests it is on level ground which obviously the stairs are not. I am only concerned with this report as I assume that the HSE are more likely to target a fall from height rather than a slip, trip or fall and in these days of FIFI I would prefer to classify it accurately. However it does say in the detail of the report that the IP fell down a flight of stairs so hopefully that will be enough to explain that it wasn't a free-fall. Thanks :)
DaveDowan  
#5 Posted : 25 October 2013 09:19:08(UTC)
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DaveDowan

Hi Robert from the Working at height regulations " What is ‘work at height’? Regulation 2 5 A place is ‘at height’ if (unless these Regulations are followed) a person could be injured falling from it, even if it is at or below ground level. 6 ‘Work’ includes moving around at a place of work (except by a staircase in a permanent workplace) but not travel to or from a place of work. For instance, a sales assistant on a stepladder would be working at height, but we would not be inclined to apply the Regulations to a mounted police officer on patrol. So therfore i would say iy is not falling from height regards Dave
Clairel  
#6 Posted : 25 October 2013 09:37:58(UTC)
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Clairel

Normal stairs are definitely not a fall from height, as per the Regs.
Robert Gibson  
#7 Posted : 25 October 2013 10:32:47(UTC)
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Robert Gibson

Thank you very much to Canopener, Dave and Claire for your responses. I do understand the WoH regs and what is deemed as working at height and I know that a flight of stairs in a permanent building is not working at height :) However, the category of 'slip, trip, fall same level' is described on the RIDDOR form as 'When the injured person slips, trips, or falls on the same level, in relation to their position before it happened e.g. where the hazard is a wet surface, dry surface, object, obstruction or uneven floor.' Whereas 'Fall from height' is described on the form as 'A fall to a lower level than before the accident – e.g. down stairs or steps, into a trench, off a ladder', which appears to more accurately describe the accident. So going on this the RIDDOR form appears to say that this incident where the IP has fallen down a flight of stairs is categorised as a fall from height. Saying all that (!) I still agree that this incident is a slip, trip or fall but I'm interested in the fact that the RIDDOR categories on the on-line form seem to contradict the circumstances of this particular incident.
A Kurdziel  
#8 Posted : 25 October 2013 10:48:45(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

We had similar incident: person off work for 2 weeks reported, under RIDDOR as a slip, trip fall not fall from height.
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