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godscrasher  
#1 Posted : 24 October 2013 22:34:34(UTC)
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godscrasher

Hi, At work we have employed an operative who has came from the heavy industry. He has been working for us for 6 months and it has come to light from health assessments that he has Vibration White Finger (The severity is kind of unknown yet). This has not been reported as a RIDDOR before at his old workplace. Question is, do we report it as a RIDDOR even though it has happened in previous employment. The work he has been doing here is minimum as they place is still in commissioning stage and there is no real high level of exposure which could have gave him vibration white finger within the space of 6 months. Thoughts?
dbeau  
#2 Posted : 25 October 2013 01:53:32(UTC)
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dbeau

Hello, would have considered it a requirement by a new employee to disclose any industrial disease when first brought into the company. This would highlight such things as HAV's which could then be assessed by HR which in turn can specify that the operative is exposed to vibratory tools for limited use or not at all. Cannot see why it would be RIDDOR Reportable on your behalf, you've just got to manage it. And as there are symptoms already evident, the exposure would most likely be NIL!
stuie  
#3 Posted : 25 October 2013 14:04:47(UTC)
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stuie

My understanding is that it is only new cases new to be reported.
David Borland  
#4 Posted : 25 October 2013 14:19:39(UTC)
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David Borland

If you as the employer are the first to have verifiable notification that the individual has HAVS I reckon you would need to report. If you don't who does? We had a similar (but given length of service - different) situation recently where an admittedly longer term employee submitted a doctors letter stating that he had HAVS. Though we knew the condition had nothing to do with his current role we reported - the subsequent visit by the HSE inspector stated that this was the correct course of action irrespective of when and who caused the condition. The fact that this had not been picked up by previous Occ Health screening was also a matter of discussion. Obviously as a fabrication company we had all relevant info re. our HAVS controls ready for the visit. To pre-empt the usual avalanche of aye it is RIDDOR, naw it's no' - I stress the above is my experience and interpretation of it - others may have a different take on it.
David Borland  
#5 Posted : 25 October 2013 14:27:33(UTC)
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David Borland

To clarify - the condition had nothing to with his current or previous roles with us, a fact that we had established prior to reporting. This was confirmed as the right action to take.
Ron Hunter  
#6 Posted : 25 October 2013 14:28:13(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I rather think you do have to report it, once the severity is known. Ideally, this baseline condition would have been established by pre-employment. or at least very early on (within the first couple of weeks). As things stand, you should expect HSE to want to scrutinise your HAVS management arrangements too.
stuie  
#7 Posted : 25 October 2013 17:04:46(UTC)
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stuie

Sorry re-reading the OP - IMHO yes it is (or will be) a new diagnosed case and therefore reportable - no matter where you think the condition originates from it is down to you to report. Stuart
dbeau  
#8 Posted : 25 October 2013 19:42:10(UTC)
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dbeau

Does this mean that for every employer who brings on employees who divulge said info on HAV's but admit they have not reported it before then immediately are required to report and are subject to investigation by the HSE?!
Ron Hunter  
#9 Posted : 25 October 2013 21:48:30(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

dbeau wrote:
Does this mean that for every employer who brings on employees who divulge said info on HAV's but admit they have not reported it before then immediately are required to report and are subject to investigation by the HSE?!
No. Where the new employer captures this baseline information at the very earliest stage of pre/employment, he can be confident that the condition didn't arise from his undertaking = no RIDDOR. The OP has the duty (and consequent potential headaches) because the problem was detected 6 months down the line. It is theoretically possible the condition was caused or at least made worse due to that employment.
dbeau  
#10 Posted : 26 October 2013 01:13:29(UTC)
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dbeau

Thanks for clearing that up.
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