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Nimble057  
#1 Posted : 08 November 2013 13:55:44(UTC)
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Nimble057

Hi we're currently having an epidemic of RSI-itis seems to be more infectious then the plauge. Has anyone run a strategy which has been informative and controlled this issue? Its getting to ridiculous levels with 99% of them having no foundation at all; we're getting reports where chemists have told employees "its rsi"; we're getting it on Drs notes and surely it should be carpal tunnel or some varient..... ....doing my head in this friday afternoon
Canopener  
#2 Posted : 08 November 2013 14:28:52(UTC)
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Canopener

Well, since you mentioned Friday, then you could point them in the direction of Judge John Prosser! :-)
KieranD  
#3 Posted : 08 November 2013 14:36:08(UTC)
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KieranD

As a safety ergonomist/psychologist, I've known of effective strategies for managing (and preventing cumulative trauma disorder. As your own observations indicate, valid diagnosis of a musculoskeletal disorder is a lot more complex than meets the eye. At the same time, ignoring complaints risk landing you in cross-fire with some of the (few) solicitors around who deal very smartly, fairly and legitimately with the condition. Be aware that knowing that a claimant won't have a bogus condition supported by expert witness reports, well-informed solicitors concentrate on employees/workers with substantive problems and conduct correspondence very shrewdly, stacking up evidence of what you do and choose not to do in response to complaints in order to influence the judge in a court. Controlling the issues effectively entail research-based applications of both physical and cognitive ergonomics targeted at tasks prevalent in your sector, as well as patience, humour and street-smartness. If you pm me with examples of specific conditions and with information about the sources of reliable research you've already considered, I'll be pleased to suggest the next steps worth considering.
PH2  
#4 Posted : 08 November 2013 14:37:38(UTC)
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PH2

Inform your insurers. They will probably ask for your DSE assessments and may send some iof the individuals to their retained orthapaedic surgeon for a full assesment.
pl53  
#5 Posted : 08 November 2013 14:57:22(UTC)
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pl53

RSI related to what sort of activity. Is it DSE use, repetitive assembly work, the use of hand tools, trussing chickens, hand sewing? All of them different and all of them with a potential to cause WRULDs if not properly assessed and controlled. Presumably, as you are so certain that 99% of these cases are spurious, there have been thorough ergonomic assessments made of the activities and controls put into place to minimise the risk of WRULDs being developed. I'm sure on that basis you have nothing to worry about in the event your company ends up in court defending a claim.
Nimble057  
#6 Posted : 08 November 2013 15:12:11(UTC)
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Nimble057

Many thanks for all the replies; its within the call center sector. The management DSE and ergonomics side of things is pretty well set up; the firm has spent ridiculous amounts on adjustable chairs; work stations etc and the training in the set up and useage is fantastic; as is the management of staff who previously have been shown to have a serious issue. I've only been with the firm a few weeks but looking back through the accident records this afternoon it appears that this is a condition that flares up at winter and Christmas time as the afternoons get dark; only to strangley clear up come new year....
Hally  
#7 Posted : 08 November 2013 15:27:49(UTC)
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Hally

Sounds like a case of CSI. Christmas shopping injury. On a serious note there must be some reason for this. Anything to do with bad lighting, with people struggling when typing?
Canopener  
#8 Posted : 08 November 2013 16:12:46(UTC)
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Canopener

quote=Nimble057]Many thanks for all the replies; its within the call center sector. The management DSE and ergonomics side of things is pretty well set up; the firm has spent ridiculous amounts on adjustable chairs; work stations etc and the training in the set up and useage is fantastic; as is the management of staff who previously have been shown to have a serious issue. I've only been with the firm a few weeks but looking back through the accident records this afternoon it appears that this is a condition that flares up at winter and Christmas time as the afternoons get dark; only to strangley clear up come new year.... Intersting! Is there an increase in productivity due to Christmas?
Mick Noonan  
#9 Posted : 09 November 2013 10:11:33(UTC)
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Mick Noonan

You need more information, I think. The must difficult part of this is the fact that all of the symptoms are subjective an it can be hard for people to accurately express what's wrong. there are some simple ways to derive information and numbers from your people. A suggestion is to produce a pain scale plotted over time. If the person has an eight-hour-shift then plot those eight hours against a pain/discomfort scale (say 1-10). At intervals during the day the person records their discomfort giving you useful information back on the far end. This information can be compared, for example against their workload allowing you to highlight possible reasons for these occurrences. Further on from that is a more complete ergo assessment involving cameras and measuring distances, deflections & postures. A good point was made above asking if the overall workload increases this time of year. This should be looked into as the answer might just be that simple. KieranD makes a good point above regarding streetsmarts and sometimes having a quality conversation with the individual, coupled with a reasonably priced (but calculated) tweak to the workstation can make all the difference. Michael
chris42  
#10 Posted : 10 November 2013 09:16:52(UTC)
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chris42

The way you put the first post, made me feel if you think the reports are not truthful. So the question becomes what do they gain by lying. If people are going to the doctor / chemists they obviously feel they have a problem (Not necessarily work related). Find it hard to believe that lots of people have hobbies that cause seasonal issues of this nature. Are they taking time off work? Or just working more slowly? What is the effect for the company?
mejacklin  
#11 Posted : 11 November 2013 14:57:42(UTC)
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mejacklin

'RSI' is a misnomer, its correct name in the UK is WRULD. To echo a theme on a different thread, most GPs are not experts as diagnosing 'RSI' (certainly not a chemist!) and I would estimate that only 10% of RSI that I am asked to see has a plausbile ergonomic basis that would make me think it is caused by work/repetition. There is a link to employer guidance: http://www.rcplondon.ac....eaflet-for-employers.pdf It is important to stress that RSI/WRULD is a bio-psycho-social medical problem i.e. a number of non medical factors can influence it such as job dissatisfaction, stress, low morale, etc at work. The fact there is a cluster suggests there is a problem irrespective of the ergonomic issues (unless they are also exceptionally poor). NB Clusters of acoustic shock is another common sign of psycho-social problems within call centres. Regards, Mark Consultant Occupational Physician
stuie  
#12 Posted : 12 November 2013 12:04:59(UTC)
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stuie

Thank you for the link Mark - informative and useful for me too. Stu
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