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cheifinspector  
#1 Posted : 12 November 2013 12:01:27(UTC)
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cheifinspector

We recently had a madical audit carried out on one of our MODU's at the request of the client. The audit went fairly well but one of the findings was:

"No occupational health/health & wellbeing/healthy lifestyle initiatives in place"

The potential impact of this: "Not fulfilling duty of care or HSE requirements"

I am unable to find any requirement that states that we must have this in place. I know it is best practice and i will be making improvements in this area but when challenged, the auditor was even unable to answer where the requirement was.

Anybody come accross this before?
A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 12 November 2013 12:23:17(UTC)
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A Kurdziel


"No occupational health/health & wellbeing/healthy lifestyle initiatives in place"
Who carried out this audit and what was it based on. There is no general legal requirement for OH provision and certainly no requirement for healthy life-style initiatives. This wasn’t organised by a company that supply’s this sort of thing was it?
The only thing that you need OH for as far as H&S in concerned is the provision of health surveillance under Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations and other regs.
The other things are “nice to haves” not legal requirements.
hilary  
#3 Posted : 12 November 2013 12:40:07(UTC)
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hilary

There is a requirement to carry out Occupational Health Checks under COSHH Regulations if you are using substances that fall into the requirement.

I would investigate this requirement based on your personal circumstances.
cheifinspector  
#4 Posted : 12 November 2013 13:20:38(UTC)
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cheifinspector

The audit was carried out in March and i joined the company in May so i wasn't involved in it at all. It has been thrown on my desk as the client are asking where we are with the findings.

To be honest, the audit report is awful. I understand the health surveillance requirements under COSHH but i think what he is getting at is that we should be carrying out health promotions and healthy living initiatives and providing things like eyesight tests, cholestoral checks etc. I will look into doing this to some degree but i am going to throw this back at them and tell me where the requirement is.
JJ Prendergast  
#5 Posted : 12 November 2013 14:06:59(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

Ah, the Big Brother approach to h&s

As we all know your company only has to meet it's Statutory obligations in terms of h&s.

Anything else is a bonus/at your discretion
stevedm  
#6 Posted : 13 November 2013 15:05:34(UTC)
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stevedm

Before you throw it back it is worth a little look at the offshore occupation health initiatives if you don't have it already...

There is a general opinion that due to an increase in age profile and bariatric (larger) employees offshore, that OH programs will reduce the impact on the medical support...same as onshore really. Targeting cardiac arrest, diabetes and obesity.

http://books.hse.gov.uk/...alogueCode=9780717608867

That is of course assuming that MODU is Mobile Offshore Drilling unit and not Mighty 'Ole Down Under...
walker  
#7 Posted : 13 November 2013 15:32:36(UTC)
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walker

Steve

Unless your offshore site is occupied by practioners of the branch of medicine that deals with the causes, prevention, and treatment of obesity.
Then you misuse the word bariatric

Otherwise I think you have hit the nail on the head regarding the auditor's comments
Mark1969  
#8 Posted : 13 November 2013 16:56:24(UTC)
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Mark1969



We have 12 Wellness initiatives per year, usually around a general topic, this month (Mo-Vember) is Mens Health, last month was Breast Cancer Awareness.

I like this because if you follow the health charities they do have tons of free information that can be printed off from their websites.

There is also an element of funraising too, so its not all one way.

I have OH/Wellness targets to meet, regardless of being law etc, my company says do and I, as an employee just get on with it.
stevedm  
#9 Posted : 15 November 2013 11:48:44(UTC)
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stevedm

walker wrote:
Steve

Unless your offshore site is occupied by practioners of the branch of medicine that deals with the causes, prevention, and treatment of obesity.
Then you misuse the word bariatric

Otherwise I think you have hit the nail on the head regarding the auditor's comments


Good google....we also use it to describe PT who are defined as having a BMI of over 30

Even better google... http://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrhtm/rr573.htm
Clairel  
#10 Posted : 15 November 2013 11:50:54(UTC)
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Clairel

Not law.

Some auditors can be idiots at times.
Bruce Sutherland  
#11 Posted : 15 November 2013 18:04:25(UTC)
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Bruce Sutherland

Clairel

the auditors may be daft... but is there not usually a continous improvement clause in most of the standards... so that means whilst the law stays still then one's standards should ever rise...?

It used to drive me mad when UKAS came out and audited us against ISO17020 and 17025 - (asbestos surveying and lab) We had to have the 17025 to trade and obviously there is a cost implication if the next lab is not being hit with the same auditors whim as they do not have that cost. At least in this case someone volunteered to have OSHAS or similar?
Kate  
#12 Posted : 15 November 2013 18:12:49(UTC)
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Kate

What were they auditing you against?
chris.packham  
#13 Posted : 15 November 2013 22:24:24(UTC)
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chris.packham

I am not saying that I agree with the auditors, but let us not forget that it is the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974, the opening statement saying: "An Act to make further provision for securing the health, safety and welfare of persons at work...."

Under general duties the Act states: "2 (1) - It shall be the duty of every employer to ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, the health, safety and welfare at work of all his employees"

Note the inclusion of 'welfare'.

Chris
imwaldra  
#14 Posted : 18 November 2013 03:46:03(UTC)
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imwaldra

I agree with several points made in other postings, viz:
- To align with the ISO approach, an audit should be designed to aid and encourage the auditee towards 'continual improvement'. To plan audits just to check compliance with applicable legislation makes no sense for any professional who truly believes that 'good OSH is good business'.
- The standard(s) against which you are being audited should always be documented, ideally before the audit but, if not, in the resulting report. Comments and recommendations shouldn't just be opinion-based, as perhaps was the case quoted?
- When my organisation carries out health-related audits offshore we do expect to see suitable broadly-based health promotion activities and use the awards standard from Healthy Working Lives, Scotland as our standard. Of course some organisations will choose not to do much, and there's no relevant UK legislation but that doesn't change our audit standard. And of course you don't have to be in Scotland, or to actually apply to HWL for an award in order to use their standard!
Garfield Esq  
#15 Posted : 18 November 2013 05:06:25(UTC)
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Garfield Esq

Poor old auditor - the key to the answer surely must be to find out the criteria of the audit - an audit isnt always based on legal requirements. Many businesses are audited against client/sector requirements which can be away above legal compliance. Legal doesnt always mean safe.
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