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ennel  
#1 Posted : 12 November 2013 17:46:08(UTC)
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ennel

Our church hall recently needed redecorating internally and we got prices from 3 decorators. There was a 6-day window in which the work had to be completed. Only one decorator (a one or two man band) guaranteed to comply with this and he got the job on that basis – he completed it satisfactorily working five 12-hour days with one assistant. The church hall is of sports hall proportions – 20m long, 10m wide with a gently sloping pitched ceiling – 6m high at the ends (20m apart) rising to 8m high in the middle. The decorator used a tower scaffold to which he needed to add an extra section to work in the middle of the hall. At one stage it was seen that he was working with his legs straddling the top safety rail with one foot each side of the rail below it. At another time he put the staging boards on top of the safety handrail (which was probably 6m above floor level) and was working from this ‘unfenced platform’. When tackled about this, his response was “there isn’t the height to put an extra section on the tower, so it’s the only way we could reach, and we’re being careful”. If there had been a fatal fall, I am sure the Parochial Church Council and their insurers would have been involved. However what would have been my legal liability, if any, as his ‘employer’ – ie as the person who sent him the order to do the job ? I am one of a group of (largely retired) volunteers who look after the church/church hall and are not construction site professionals or supervisors.
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 12 November 2013 21:13:02(UTC)
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RayRapp

ennel You asked if there had been a fatality what would your legal liability be as the person who engaged the contractor? Well strictly speaking it was the Church who engaged the contractor - you were merely the agent of the Church. Therefore any criminal liability would rest with the most senior person(s) within that Church. Under the Construction (Design and Management) Regulations 2007, the Client must check the competence and resources of all appointees - contractors in this instance. The Church is the client of course. I would not expect a layperson to have an in-depth knowledge of construction issues and nor would the authorities. That said, identifying someone carrying out a hazardous act does not always require an expert knowledge in that particular field. Notwithstanding that, identifying how the contractor intended to carry out the work in the first instance would have been a precursor to assessing whether the contractor was competent and had the right equipment for the job. If I was engaged to advise a minor project like you describe - I would advise on making reasonable checks as to the competence of the contractor - for example, are they affiliated to any bonifide organisation, PLI and a method statement detailing how the work would be carried out safely. The latter being particularly relevant where there may be high risk activities such as working at height. As a Client you are not expected to supervise contractors which you have appointed. If as a result of their own foolhardy actions they have a serious accident - it is their own fault. If you have made resonable checks as to their competence - so much the better. Ray
CarlT  
#3 Posted : 12 November 2013 22:38:06(UTC)
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CarlT

Ennel, you may wish to appraise yourself of the contents of http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg368.pdf
ennel  
#4 Posted : 13 November 2013 22:04:05(UTC)
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ennel

Thanks rayrapp and carlt for your very prompt responses. With hindsight we obviously fell short somewhere in the process of assessing the contractor’s competence. It would seem that relying on the recommendations of the bursar of a local school, and accepting the claims on the contractor’s website of work done in a local university and local hospitals (where we would have expected safety compliance was a pre-requisite) were not enough to guarantee his understanding of safe site working, and this is something we’ll have to take on board in future. Perhaps warning bells should have rung when the contractors we didn’t employ referred in their quotes to Risk Assessments, method statements and CHAS accreditation, whilst ‘our man’ made no mention of them – and the words ‘safe’ and ‘safety’ do not appear anywhere on his website. Thanks again. ennel
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