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nr42  
#1 Posted : 10 November 2013 09:48:47(UTC)
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nr42

A recent safety inspection on our offshore installation resulted in the mandatory wearing of chin straps on our safety helmets. We do wear chin straps as a matter of routine for work at height or any other area in which the dropping of a helmet from a person's head could cause a hazard.
On the other hand, the offshore installation is in a tropical region of the world and wearing a chin strap all the time could cause a rash due to the heat and inevitable perspiration.
Our previous guidelines were that if a ratchet type arrangement was there on the helmet, enabling the user to tighten the helmet on his / her head, a chin strap was not necessary. This has now changed to a blanket requirement to wear one.
Does anyone have any ideas on common practice in industry in this context?
Thanks
Kate  
#2 Posted : 10 November 2013 10:45:13(UTC)
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Kate

Working in manufacturing, I've seen lots of hard hats, but never one with a chin strap. (I'm not disputing their existence just saying they aren't usual in that context.)
chris42  
#3 Posted : 10 November 2013 14:59:12(UTC)
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chris42

We had hard hats with a removable chin strap. It was to be used with strap when in confined spaces.
chris42  
#4 Posted : 10 November 2013 15:02:40(UTC)
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chris42

If the issue is just the hat may fall off onto someone / something else, why not just tether it to a belt or clothing.
Billy Morrison  
#5 Posted : 10 November 2013 17:05:33(UTC)
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Billy Morrison

Did the inspector offer a solution... or was it just a blanket wear the strap? I think the common sense approach is best. You have control measures in place such as "wearing the hard hat with a strap when operating within the context of WAH" or where personnel have the potential to be injured should the hat fall from above. You have said "wearing a strap all the time" bearing in mind tropical conditions could result in a rash but how long are personnel operating in a hard hat for? Could a sweat absorbing cover be used on the chin strap to alleviate the discomfort such as that you would often find on a motorbike helmet?
achrn  
#6 Posted : 11 November 2013 08:25:28(UTC)
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achrn

nr42 wrote:

Does anyone have any ideas on common practice in industry in this context?


It's a culture norm thing, I think. In the UK, I've very rarely seen a hard-hat being worn with chinstrap, unless for a very specific reason (eg, work at height over members of the public). However, in other places it's completely standard - in some Asian locations they universally wear a chinstrap.

Is the 'rash' argument really valid? The headband could cause a rash, but that doesn't excuse people from wearing their hat. If you can wear the hat continuously despite the headband being in constant contact with your forehead, I'm not sure why you can't have a strap in constant contact with your chin.
allanwood  
#7 Posted : 11 November 2013 08:35:49(UTC)
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allanwood

way back in the day when i was on the "tools" i used to do a hell of a lot of work at height in MEWPs and access cradles, it was company policy that all hard hats where fitted with chin straps and these had to be worn when using such equipment.
the policy worked well, and i never came across anyone suffering from a rash caused by a chin strap.

The reason for this policy was simply if you lost your hard hat at height there was no way of retrieving it other than to lower the access equipment to the ground and pick it up - this could be time consuming and let the operative without head protection during the retrieval period. It had nothing to do with the hard hat falling and striking someone below due to the fact that we segregated the work areas anyway.
cheifinspector  
#8 Posted : 11 November 2013 08:43:49(UTC)
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cheifinspector

My company operate offshore and we only specify that chin straps must be worn in high winds and working at height. The guys find them very uncomfortable to be wearing at all times and skin conditions have been known to flare up even in the cold north sea environment. It's a happy medium and the guys are comfortable with this.

jay  
#9 Posted : 11 November 2013 11:33:51(UTC)
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jay

It could also depend upon the design of the "internals" of the hard hat?
colinreeves  
#10 Posted : 11 November 2013 13:43:34(UTC)
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colinreeves

achrn wrote:

It's a culture norm thing, I think. In the UK, I've very rarely seen a hard-hat being worn with chinstrap, unless for a very specific reason (eg, work at height over members of the public)


Relatively normal in the marine industry - as another poster mentioned it gets breezy on a ship!
Seabee81  
#11 Posted : 11 November 2013 14:22:28(UTC)
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Seabee81

Chin straps are standard practice in the wind industry where we are working at height a lot of the time. It can get really warm inside a turbine, especially if we have a hot summer like we did this year, but I have never had any complaints about the strap causing a rash. We use climbing helmets rather than hard hats though so maybe that makes a difference?

cheifinspector's approach to this seems the most reasonable. Fit the helmets out with the straps and use them when needed
RayRapp  
#12 Posted : 11 November 2013 20:57:48(UTC)
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RayRapp

For those working at height routinely I would recommend a hard hat with a chin strap. Indeed Scaffolders wear a chin strap as a norm and also they wear peakless hard hats so as not to obscure their vision. There are many types of hard hats for all manner of tasks. It's not just about the hat falling off, but also climbers hats often have extra protection for cranium impacts (side on) as do scaffolders I'm told.

In hot weather it may be possible to use some sort of gauze or padding around the chin to prevent sweating if a suitable one cannot be procured.
billstrak  
#13 Posted : 12 November 2013 01:35:55(UTC)
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billstrak

Have chin straps fitted as a matter of course and consider adding a plastic chin guard to the strap which keeps it correctly fitted and adds to the comfort levels.

Risk assess at the start of each shift and instruct crews to wear where the risk of a helmet falling of as a result of body position or adverse weather is foreseeable.
nickygee  
#14 Posted : 15 November 2013 10:19:04(UTC)
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nickygee

My experience offshore is that all hard hats will have a chin strap fitted and when needed it can be used. Normally personnel wear the strap over the peak of the hat, unless WAH or the wind gets up when they will actually 'wear' the strap under their chin. I've never heard of mandatory wearing of chin straps at all times. It is really task and weather dependant IMO
SHV  
#15 Posted : 16 November 2013 02:35:52(UTC)
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SHV

Some organizations mandated use of chin strap, and particularly is more evident in South Asian companies as achrn mentioned and sometimes they are accentuate on that more rather than more serious issues on job sites

Best practice, use it in offshore environment

SHV
selvinjoe  
#16 Posted : 16 November 2013 05:19:19(UTC)
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selvinjoe

I agree with Nickygee.
MrH&S  
#17 Posted : 16 November 2013 14:28:41(UTC)
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MrH&S

I work offshore in Brazil, we have helmets with chinstraps inside(attached)
When we first started the project we did not include wear chinstraps into our induction.

Unfortunately the client witnessed 2 persons helmets come off in separate occasions, 1. in high winds 2. person bending over picking up item.

The client asked that we have a blanket chinstrap policy, as this is the norm with rigs offshore in Brazil.

As we are on a vessel we came to an agreement that the chinstrap should be work if a risk assessment dictated. i.e. High winds, work at height, etc & put allow the deck foreman to notify personnel if he thought the chinstrap was required.

The client was happy with this solution & we have had no further issues

Mr H&S
nr42  
#18 Posted : 17 November 2013 06:23:22(UTC)
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nr42

All
Many thanks for your responses to this discussion. Very much appreciated. It is good to see all your points of view.
Nick
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