Interesting conversation with my car insurance company, they don't recognise H&S Manager as a job title! The person I spoke to also seemed surprised and said we have "tea taster" as a title, so you would have thought this would be on the list, but no. Have others encountered this ? Is H&S Manager really such a poor job title that they can not be bothered to list it? Obviously a lesser job than tea taster - I'm supposed to be catching up with some work, but have lost any resolve I had to do so. Chris

That's handy, as I was thinking of changing career to being a tea taster because of how unpopular people on here keep telling me health and safety is. Oh, and I like a good cup of tea as well. Right, where's the NAAFI wagon?!

Disaster! It was one of the few things that the Liney's would actually shift themselves out if the crew room for!

It seems that quite a number of organisations have fixed lists of occupations which don't readily recognise people who work in OS&H, perhaps because it's quite a rare occupation and/or simply doesn't occur to those who compile and update such lists. Years ago when updating my details at a blood donor session I recall "health & safety adviser" causing problems because it wasn't on a prescribed list, and eventually got recorded under an obscure set of initials. It didn't seem appropriate to make a fuss about the matter because the nurses at donor sessions just had to work with the list given to them and had little or no authority to change it. When faced with organisations which seem to have rigid occupational lists, it would be interesting if possible to find out what their lists do include! For example, do they include "saggar maker's bottom knocker"? This was a fairly common occupation in the ceramics industry until modern conveyor-type kilns replaced traditional 'bottle' kilns in which items to be fired were stacked inside saggars (crude ceramic boxes) to support and protect them. Apparently saggars are still made on a small scale for use by studio potteries, so it's possible that some occupational lists might include 'saggar maker' if not those who assist such people! For better information about saggars, do an internet search. Among other things, it should reveal the fact that the term 'saggar' is derived from 'safeguard'.

Find another insurance company? Mine does Health and Safety Consultant or Health and Safety Officer - it's close enough.

Being a "multi-hatter" I am with Stedman and always ask which of their pigeon holes provides the cheapest cover by re-running the quote with a different occupation title from their drop down list - without changing position or employer I have been recorded as a Safety Advisor, Quality Officer, Quality Manager, Safety Manager. When accepting any quote I always make a note that I had the conversation with the advisor as "calls are recorded for training and quality purposes" - and in the event of.....

In general OS&H professionals with their greater awareness of risk and how to manage it ought to be good customers for insurance companies because statistically they might be less likely to make claims or expensive ones. Therefore, those who encounter insurance companies which don't include OS&H in their occupational listings for customers should, as hilary suggests at #9, consider finding another insurer. They should also tell the ignorant companies because over time this might have the effect of persuading them, or some of them, to update their listings. Does anyone know if companies which do recognise OS&H also offer any reduction in premiums to customers who work in OS&H? Either way, it might be worthwhile for OS&H professionals when seeking quotations or renewing insurance to ask if their occupation merits any discount. I understand that people who work in the hotel trade generally pay higher premiums for vehicle insurance than most people because of a presumption by insurers, perhaps based to an extent on statistics, that they are more likely than most people to drive while under the influence of alcohol - a stance which seems unfair to responsible trade members who are careful not to drive after drinking. If insurers load premiums against hoteliers and others in occupations with higher than normal risk, then there is a possibility that they reduce premiums for those in occupations with lower than average risk. As an aside, I suppose the occupation of blood donors is of interest to the National Blood Service because some occupations might indicate a higher than average risk regarding blood donated by some people in such occupations. For a slightly absurd example, I guess that aspiring donors who state their occupation as "international gigolo" might find their donations politely declined because frequent trips abroad plus the inherent risk of infection both increase the likelihood that their donations could pose a significant health risk to recipients!

Bit miffed about the reference to Lineys. As an ex Liney it wasn't just the NAAFI wagon that would get us out of the crewroom oh no..... Bit of sunshine for a sneaky suntan out the back, new boy getting thrown in the pond, crash state 2 in case we saw some fireworks oh and of course the station commander or SWO heading our way all guaranteed to send us running. As for the original post sorry can't help. Off for an egg banjo now.

Other than CDM-C not being recognised by most organisations outside of H&S, and some within the industry (CSCS!) I'm understanding very little of this thread.

Or a Rigger. However a Plumber would have no chance of understanding - they are the missing link. Knuckles scraping on the ground etc on the way to the Crew Room.

Putting the 'Force' into Air Force, just another airline without us ...

There is a lack of comments from the ex-Leckies. Dont they drive cars and need insurance? Hey-ho time to WALK THE DOGS. Crack on.

Clairel I would have liked to think that H&S practitioners would be thought to be a little safer in our everyday lives than the average person on the Clapham omnibus or sales rep. There is of course absolutely no foundation for that thought, but one may consider others might see it that way. Perhaps just wishful thinking on my part. Even the person their end was surprised that H&S manager was not listed. MI5 spy is just part time hobby, bit like TA, and sadly I’m not allowed to divulge that to insurance company. I would also have thought that there would be a higher premium for spy, but again no foundation for that thought either. Perhaps if there are any full time spy’s out there that would like to confirm one way or another, just let us know on this public forum. Nice to see you are still around, I thought you had gone again. Chris