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Stevie Wood 70  
#1 Posted : 20 November 2013 11:58:56(UTC)
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Stevie Wood 70

Morning I have a scenario developing at work where a colleague has been retasked by there line manager, without qualifications. After a period of time they have approached the line manager with concerns that the role is to tough. Basically He has said other colleagues are not struggling and their job is at risk, she should not let her personal life effect work. She has left the company claiming constructive dismissal. Where do they stand legally from a H&S point of view?
hilary  
#2 Posted : 20 November 2013 12:15:36(UTC)
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hilary

You do not say what level of competence is required for the job - is it a full training programme type competence, is the job dangerous without the training or would simple on the job instruction prove beneficial. The question is too open ended to answer - sorry
Stevie Wood 70  
#3 Posted : 20 November 2013 12:24:35(UTC)
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Stevie Wood 70

Hi Apologies I am being vague the job requires a level of competence and qualification it is not dangerous the issue is they are alleging they have been told her other male counterparts are doing ok, if they does not achieve their jobs are at risk My query is from a legal point of view is one of sexism, induced stress from pressure management which I believe are HR issues but where is the legal position in respect to H&S of the company
Dazzling Puddock  
#4 Posted : 20 November 2013 12:33:52(UTC)
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Dazzling Puddock

Hi Steve I am struggling to see where health and safety features in the scenario described. There seems to be no mention of whistleblowing activities etc so it looks like a purely personnel department issue to me. Why would health and safety want to get involved?
David Bannister  
#5 Posted : 20 November 2013 12:35:27(UTC)
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David Bannister

The ex-employee has apparently not been harmed by work activities. I agree: No H&S issues.
Kate  
#6 Posted : 20 November 2013 12:36:23(UTC)
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Kate

There is no specific statute law on stress. There is case law that shows that companies have duties in respect of stress to their staff where this stress is reasonably foreseeable (such as when an employee has already suffered depression as a result of workplace stress and has raised the issue properly with management). But is she claiming any harm has come to her health as a result of what has happened or is it just that she is claiming she has been forced out of the job?
Stevie Wood 70  
#7 Posted : 20 November 2013 12:38:33(UTC)
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Stevie Wood 70

I guess what I am asking is she is claiming unfair/constructive dismissal should she be successful is there any contravention of H&S legislation that we would need to respond to. Stress, Pressure
Stevie Wood 70  
#8 Posted : 20 November 2013 12:47:25(UTC)
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Stevie Wood 70

They had a job in Administration, then given a more financial role. They question this after a couple of weeks that they had no financial training and found the job to difficult. They were informed that if they couldn't do the job there position was at risk. Im struggling with the reference to male colleagues and unduly putting pressure on someone who is not trained to carry out a task then threatening them with the sack
Kate  
#9 Posted : 20 November 2013 13:01:48(UTC)
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Kate

I'm not sure if I'm missing something here. Her claim will be dealt with by the employment tribunal, and there is no reason to think your H&S enforcing authority will become involved in any way. You don't have to answer to the employment tribunal in any way, it will simply decide on her claim and if she succeeds, tell you what you have to do about it (normally, to pay compensation). If her claim is successful then it is just good business sense to review what the failings have been that allowed this situation to happen. What she is claiming sounds more like bad management than contravention of health and safety law.
hilary  
#10 Posted : 20 November 2013 13:10:40(UTC)
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hilary

Totally agree with everything Kate has said. I do not think there is a health and safety case to answer. Leave this to the HR professionals.
Canopener  
#11 Posted : 20 November 2013 18:24:36(UTC)
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Canopener

Kate seems to have suggested the correct approach to me. Don't jump the gun for now and see how this 'pans out'. Many such cases don't get to the ET but rather settled before it gets that far; sometimes on the steps of the tribunal!
CarlT  
#12 Posted : 20 November 2013 23:57:13(UTC)
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CarlT

Even if the employee went on stress leave as a result it would still be a HR issue rather than a H&S issue, I agree with all the comments made and suggest as Canopener said, leave it and see what happens.
Kate  
#13 Posted : 21 November 2013 06:16:25(UTC)
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Kate

Perhaps I should add that it is not in the employment tribunal's remit to rule on whether or not health and safety law has been breached. They are only concerned with employment law and the facts of the case. So if you are wondering whether the employment tribunal's findings may include that there has been a breach of health and safety law, the answer is no (although of course they might find that the employer's practices have affected the claimant's health).
Clairel  
#14 Posted : 21 November 2013 09:17:21(UTC)
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Clairel

This isn't a health and safety issue. a) It's an employment tribunal. b)From what you've said there was no health and safety incident, no claim that her safety was at risk. Why does everyone always want to use H&S as reason for everything? It really does dilute the good work that H&S is trying to achieve.
rodgerker  
#15 Posted : 21 November 2013 11:00:45(UTC)
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rodgerker

Because, to paraphrase Oscar Wilde "Blaming Health and Safety is the last bastion of a scoundrel" Rodger Ker
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