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Does anyone know of any good guidance covering the issue of pupils cooking food (cakes etc) for sale at a school event. I am no authority on food and would be interested in finding out what the regulations say on this issue and what approach should be taken regarding allergies etc. Are disclaimer signs enough? Any help in this area would be welcome. I have tried the FSA website but there is little information there. Thanks in advance.
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General guidance on school fetes / charity events. 1. Stop reading scare stories in newspapers. 2. Don't be a jobsworth / spoilsport. 3 Support the kids and the school in their endeavours 4 Enjoy their cakes, buns, pies etc 5 Encourage others to do likewise.
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Regarding guidance for food safety I suggest you look at publications from Highfield as this is the information I use for my food safety courses I run from the company I work for. Although the type of food you are taking about I assume is low risk (i.e. confectionery type cakes) so very unlikely to cause food poisoning. Therefore general good hygiene standards should be sufficent.
In regard to allergen advice there is no legal requirement at present to provide allergen info for food which is sold either unwrapped, wrapped at location where the product is sold or for products sold in clear wrap cellophane or plastic. However if you wish to place a disclaimer on the stall (over kill in my opinion) it should have the following wording: Product are made from cereals contain gluten, milk, eggs etc. and may also contain x,y,z. The "may also contain" is meant to be used to indicate that the product may have been contaminated with the various allergens.
That all said I know from personal experience (my daughter was allergic to milk) I would not consider buying products from a stall as I would not have the confidence in the controls used in the making of the products which I believe is the stand most parents of allergic children would take.
I have seen PH2 comments and likewise I understand the sentiment, however such stalls would still be covered by relevant food safety legislation which obviously if something did go drastically wrong could leave the organisers or school open to prescution by local enforcement authorities.
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PH2........
That is exactly what I intend to do.....I do however need to counter those that think different and some official guidance would help me in my endeavours!
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The basic principles of safe food preparation can be summarised as the ‘4Cs’: 1. clean: wash your hands, surfaces and utensils properly and keep them clean 2. cook: cook food properly 3. chill: chill food properly 4. cross contamination: avoid spreading food poisoning bacteria between foods by cross contamination There is useful information from University of Warwick’s Health, Safety & Well-being webpages on “Charity Cake Sales” that are relevant and not OTT! http://www2.warwick.ac.u...dsafety/charitycakesale/
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Chas, you say you looked at FSA site and it wasn't helpful - have a look at this link http://www.food.gov.uk/b...harity-community-groups/It will give you all the guidance you will need and explain why you need or don't need to do certain things. Support the kids and enjoy the experience. JohnC
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PGra wrote:However if you wish to place a disclaimer on the stall (over kill in my opinion) it should have the following wording: Product are made from cereals contain gluten, milk, eggs etc. and may also contain x,y,z. No. Don't do that. "May contain" is nothing but blatant backside-covering and is no use to anyone whatsoever. If they were prepared at school and you know what was done, say so, and say what has been done to avoid cross-contamination. If you made the fudge at the same time and in the same kitchen as the peanut brittle "Not intended to contain nuts or peanuts, but was prepared alongside items containing peanuts". If you had no control say so - "Not intended to contain nuts, but prepared by pupils at home."
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No. Don't do that. "May contain" is nothing but blatant backside-covering and is no use to anyone whatsoever. If they were prepared at school and you know what was done, say so, and say what has been done to avoid cross-contamination. If you made the fudge at the same time and in the same kitchen as the peanut brittle "Not intended to contain nuts or peanuts, but was prepared alongside items containing peanuts". If you had no control say so - "Not intended to contain nuts, but prepared by pupils at home."
Actually the "may contain" is the phrase used in the guidance give by BRC on allergen advice for packaged food. However it should not be used as a blanket coverage but list the allergens which may have contaminated the product during making. so if no risk of nuts being in the product then it should not be used only list the allegens which could have contaminated the product.
if you are going to list all that has been done to prevent contamination on your disclaimer I think you would not be able to see the cakes due to the size of the disclaimer. So don't do that
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PGra wrote:Quote:
No. Don't do that. "May contain" is nothing but blatant backside-covering and is no use to anyone whatsoever.
If they were prepared at school and you know what was done, say so, and say what has been done to avoid cross-contamination. If you made the fudge at the same time and in the same kitchen as the peanut brittle "Not intended to contain nuts or peanuts, but was prepared alongside items containing peanuts".
If you had no control say so - "Not intended to contain nuts, but prepared by pupils at home."
Actually the "may contain" is the phrase used in the guidance give by BRC on allergen advice for packaged food. And that contradicts my statement how, exactly? Is your contention that the BRC (whoever they may be, but conceivably the British Retail Consortium) are such paragons of virtue that they would never, ever do something just to cover their backsides? Do you think that a trade association of retailers might possibly offer advice slanted towards protecting retailers? Quote: if you are going to list all that has been done to prevent contamination on your disclaimer I think you would not be able to see the cakes due to the size of the disclaimer. So don't do that
A straw man. I didn't propose listing every single step. I gave an example of an appropriate text that would give someone with a life-threatening food allergy (such as myself) the information that would enable them to make a judgement. 'May contain' does not.
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Thanks to you all. I don't know how I missed the FSA guidance(?), obviously didn't look hard enough. All your comments have been of much use. So it's on with the party........
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