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Another row here;
See http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25316055
The CPS failed in a prosecution of an operator of a fire work display under Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 (I assume section 3).
Interesting that there was no mention of risk assessment as you’d have thought that ‘a suitable and sufficient’ risk assessment would include the risk to cars on the M5.
The judge said “the prosecution's case was "heavily weighted" on "hindsight" and there was not sufficient evidence to show that Mr Counsell ought to have foreseen that smoke from the display could have drifted and mixed with fog to create thick smog.”
So where does this leave risk assessment- should it only be used to indentify risks that are bleeding obvious?
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"Another row here" Why?
I was very pleased to see this decision, the HSE are generally very guilty of hindisght bias.
If the risk is that forseeable then there should be a ban on fireworks displays in the vicinity of major roads.
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Clearly the risk wasn't 'bleeding obvious'.
The correct decision I think. Hindsight is a great thing.
However future firework organisers, might want to consider the risk if close to a motorway etc.
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But the point of H&S law is that it is not prescriptive- it does not go about banning activities such as setting off fireworks near a motorway. Instead it is the responsibility of the person doing the activity to make sure that they do not expose anybody to unnecessary risk. I’d say setting off fireworks near a motorway might pose a risk- I said might, as no mention was made of risk assessment in the report so we don’t know what the firework operator’s risk assessment said.
My concern is that this case might move the goal posts again and mean that the only risks that we need to worry about are those that are bleeding obvious- which rather defeats the point of H&S as it is the not so obvious risks that usually cause the trouble.
‘Hindsight’ can be one of those weasel words like ‘common sense’ which can mean what ever you want them to mean “ I did not fit the guard, as I did not expect the operator to put his hand there- with hindsight I know I should have but I could not predict his behaviour; I am not a psychic!”
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Personally I'd be happy to ban fireworks full stop Reken. Noisy nuisance that they are. Scare the hell out of my dog. Personally I find them somewhat boring.
Anyhow, I do think the risk was foreseebale in this case. Fireworks create a lot of smoke. Fact.
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The HSE produce guidance on running a fire work display - I have used it and recommended it to others on a number of occasions. Funny thing I don't remember smog being mentioned anywhere in the guide. Is this the correct decision? Unless you have sat through all the evidence how will we ever know?
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A couple of quotes from various media reports here in the West Country that perhaps throw a little more light on the verdict. We will have to wait for the transcripts to be certain of course.
The judge said “'The prosecution case required Mr Counsell to appreciate and react more or less instantly to something not thought to be a hazard to anyone and had no previous reason to think it was a hazard.' He added: 'There was no proper basis that you could have concluded that a reasonable person would have appreciated a reasonable risk and reacted to it to stop the display.”
"The Highways Agency, the Police and the local council were all consulted before the event and none of them raised any concerns."
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Wrong button, doh! Also meant to mention that it was claimed by the defendant, and accepted by the Rugby Club, that a risk assessment had been given to them but the Rugby Club could not find it when asked to produce it.
I think the judgement shows that the Court accepted it had existed and the judgement therefore implies it was s&s.
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I know this particular stretch of road very well. There are no lights, no warning signs and this area suffers from fog/mist rather a lot.
Common sense prevailed in my opinion. He should never have been in court in the first place.
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Have to agree with the Judge and in the absence of any solid evidence it appears to have been another own goal by the CPS. With regards to the concept of 'reasonably foreseeable', I also agree that given the circumstances a layman would not reasonably foresee that smoke from a firework display could cause a serious visual problem on a motorway 200 yards away.
The question is would a h&s practitioner have been able to predict such an outcome? Perhaps, but some would not. The acid test of course is to find out whether other high profile firework events identify poor visibility - for example, at New Year's Eve on the Thames, which would include both roads and waterways. I suspect not.
Perhaps something good can come out of this tragic case by the HSE doing something proactive like issuing guidance on firework displays near public roads and rivers.
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Quote ‘With regards to the concept of 'reasonably foreseeable', I also agree that given the circumstances a layman would not reasonably foresee that smoke from a firework display could cause a serious visual problem on a motorway 200 yards away.’ End Quote
I think that is the problem- a layman just having a cursory look, not a proper risk assessment. Remember reg 7 of the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations “Every employer shall... appoint one or more competent persons to assist him in undertaking the measures he needs to take to comply with the requirements and prohibitions imposed upon him by ..”
So nobody should be relaying on a layman. Remember this guy was running a business not doing it for fun.
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AK, I think the point of the judgement is that an assessment was made by reasonable and competent (in the context of the specifics) people and that it was not reasonable to expect them to have foreseen. Not that any layperson taking a casual glance is the basis of anything.
With the benefit of hindsight and to prevent a recurrence the formal guidance may well be changed but that is 'hindsight' which for me was the gist of the judges comments.
I hope this helps to allay your concerns about the judgement.
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“So where does this leave risk assessment- should it only be used to identify risks that are bleeding obvious?”
Yes because the purpose of risk assessment is to:
Identify the measures to take to comply with the requirements and prohibitions imposed upon him by or under the relevant statutory provisions
So if there are statutory provisions there must be an obvious link from the hazard to the requirements of the regulations.
If you do not take this approach then you say fireworks create smoke, smoke drifts in the wind, smoke affects vision, if drivers cannot see they may crash. Outcome is no fireworks display close to and upwind of roads. You could go further and say that November is a foggy time of the year, smoke mixes with fog to make it worse so we should move Guy Fawkes Day to July and only have fireworks on clear summer evening before dark.
Without linking to risk assessment to statutory provisions then you create an open ended process that allows experienced safety practioners to predict the worst and ban everything.
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http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/13
¨161A Danger or annoyance caused by fires lit otherwise than on highways.
(1)If a person—
(a)lights a fire on any land not forming part of a highway which consists of or comprises a carriageway; or
(b)directs or permits a fire to be lit on any such land,
and in consequence a user of any highway which consists of or comprises a carriageway is injured, interrupted or endangered by, or by smoke from, that fire or any other fire caused by that fire, that person is guilty of an offence and liable to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale.
(2)In any proceedings for an offence under this section it shall be a defence for the accused to prove—
(a)that at the time the fire was lit he was satisfied on reasonable grounds that it was unlikely that users of any highway consisting of or comprising a carriageway would be injured, interrupted or endangered by, or by smoke from, that fire or any other fire caused by that fire; and
(b)either—
(i)that both before and after the fire was lit he did all he reasonably could to prevent users of any such highway from being so injured, interrupted or endangered, or
(ii)that he had a reasonable excuse for not doing so.”.
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Without linking to risk assessment to statutory provisions then you create an open ended process that allows experienced safety practioners to predict the worst and ban everything.
This is a good point, and I think is at the heart of why we see quite a number of ridiculous conclusions from risk assessments - and blanket bans imposed by so called 'elf and safety' experts - for low risk, everyday activities. I won't repeat the typical Daily Mail scare stories here.
I think the current approach to risk assessment distracts many, not evey risk/hazard has to be totaly removed and results in over zealous decisions.
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You forgot the bit about within '50ft of the centre of the highway'
Selective quote?
If not within 50ft, then no offence?
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My concern is I am not sure if the court rulings in various cases add up to a consistent approach which we can all agree upon. There have been cases where the courts have expected genuine foresight for unexpected situations and then there this one where they have said it is only relevant if the risk is immediately apparent.
I think it has mudded the waters.
Note that the HSE/CPS initiated this case and they can only do this if they think that there is an high expectation of a conviction.
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So, where to now - the case ended in a spectacular failure, cost shed loads of money (will the defendant recover his costs in view of the recent changes in recovery) and the most disturbing element of all is that 7 persons lost their lives.
I was not in the court to hear evidence so I shall desist from commenting or speculating on what was or may have been advanced by prosecutors and defence.
Jon
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Ref: Highways Act
But aren't the HSE the enforcing body for the HaSaWork Act... do they have any power to bring a prosecution under the Highways Act?
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For all you barrack room lawyers:-
Section 161A of the Highways Act 1980 Provides
Danger or annoyance caused by fires lit otherwise than on highways
(1) If a person -
(a) lights a fire on any land not forming part of a Highway which consists of or comprises a Carriageway; or
(b) directs or permits a fire to be lit on any such land,
and in consequence a user of any Highway which consists of or comprises a Carriageway is injured, interrupted or endangered by, or by smoke from, that fire or any other fire caused by that fire, that person is guilty of an offence and liable to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale.
(2) In any proceedings for an offence under this section it shall be a defence for the accused to prove -
(a) that at the time the fire was lit he was satisfied on reasonable grounds that it was unlikely that users of any Highway consisting of or comprising a Carriageway would be injured, interrupted or endangered by, or by smoke from, that fire or any other fire caused by that fire; and
(b) either -
(i) that both before and after the fire was lit he did all he reasonably could to prevent users of any such Highway from being so injured, interrupted or endangered, or
(ii) that he had a reasonable excuse for not doing so.
Jon
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Quote John M.
(2) In any proceedings for an offence under this section it shall be a defence for the accused to prove - ---------------
Thus if the case had been brought under this Act then the outcome would have been the same if we take the judge's comments as reported in the media,
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It may not have been.
Much would depend on how it would be argued and indeed, defended and with what amount of vigour.
It would most unlikely that the HSE would have jurisdiction in RTAs.
Jon
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Accepted points.
However, I was suggesting that the prosecution had been brought before the same judge, by the relevant authority, using the Act you quote and based on the same evidence. Then the judge would have relied on the same principles and thus the outcome would likely have been the same.
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Given Grumpyman's comments about this section of the motorway, I doubt that the prosecution would have proved beyond reasonable doubt that the smoke from the fireworks caused the lack of visibility on the motorway, let alone that this was a reasonably foreseeable outcome of the display. Agree with earlier comment about HSE hindsight bias.
I've sat in court listening to the evidence of an HSE expert witness who considered that the risk of a fatal or serious injury accident involving workplace transport at a factory was "almost certain". Under cross-examination that translated into if the factory was run ETERNALLY eventually such an accident would occur. Hardly an interpretation of "reasonably practicable".
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On this occasion I think common sense prevailed.
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Being a 'barrack room' lawyer I note that the referenced legislation (Section 161A of the Highways Act 1980) essentially applies to fires and not fire works per se. Could not say whether there was a bonfire or whether the smoke emanated from the bonfire, fire works or both, but it may account why the prosecution was pursuant to HSWA.
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An interesting snippet (i.e selective quotes) or two from our local paper (Somerset County Gazette). They may add to the discussion.
The former president of the Bristol Law Society said "It should never have got as far as a court case. One has to ask if it is the public interest and if there is a reasonable prospect of a successful prosecution. In my view there was never a prospect"
Also in a statement read out by defence lawyers on behalf of the defendant he states that the defence team advised the local council more than once of the flaws in their case. "Again in August of 2012 those defending me set out in court documents the very issues which caused the case to come to a halt today".
Lots going on around this case, not the least for me as a local taxpayer,
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I personally think the old in the public interest quote does not get factored into any CPS prosecutions. As mentioned before, the HSE cannot accept so many fatalities was an accident, therefore someone must take the blame. Especially in the current climate when finances are being reduced. I really do feel for the individual when he was originally being charged with manslaughter. Outrageous.
Don't get me wrong, I think the HSE do a good job and do act in the public interest and without them, our jobs wouldn't exist. But sometimes the unexplainable events that lead to catastrophic incidents cannot be viewed from a risk assessment point of view.
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Ray #26
Fire, good man fire, old pallets , mattresses etc.
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As Pete has correctly identified the case was brought by the LA (Taunton Deane Borough Council) and not by the HSE.
Local Councils do not always have the expertise in prosecution proceedings and in this case they got it so spectacularly wrong. It has been mentioned in some circles that that the HSE refused jurisdiction
Costs have not yet been decided - I'm sure the aquitted will be well compensated.
Now the essential questions must be - who was responsible for the seven fatalities ?
Refresh your memory with the old saying: "Accidents don't just happen- they are caused!
Discuss!
Jon
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John M wrote:
I was not in the court to hear evidence so I shall desist from commenting or speculating on what was or may have been advanced by prosecutors and defence.
Jon
I agree Jon
Whilst we can all have opinions about 'the law' and how it stands regarding firework displays & RAs etc, I have been surprised that so many posts seem so sure that the verdict in this case was wrong, or that that the case should never have been bought before the courts. In fact it's only the judge and jury that have heard all the facts
I accept that offering one's opinions is an important part of a discussion forum, but some of the 'opinions' expressed here seem to have been done so with the minimum of information as to what was actually said in court and what evidence was produced. This is a flawed concept developed by our friends in the Daily Mail and much critisiced by the H&S profession.
So for those who seem to be so knowing about this case and have formed such strong opinions, just bear that in mind the next time the tabloids print a feebly researched elf & safety story.
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John M wrote:As Pete has correctly identified the case was brought by the LA (Taunton Deane Borough Council) and not by the HSE.
Local Councils do not always have the expertise in prosecution proceedings and in this case they got it so spectacularly wrong. It has been mentioned in some circles that that the HSE refused jurisdiction
Costs have not yet been decided - I'm sure the aquitted will be well compensated.
Now the essential questions must be - who was responsible for the seven fatalities ?
Refresh your memory with the old saying: "Accidents don't just happen- they are caused!
Discuss!
Jon
Jon, I think you need to separate the theory from the practice.
Most accidents for a reason and could have been avoided with better controls. That said, there are some accidents which happen for no good reason other than bad luck, sod's law, call it what you like. The problem is that foreseeability is enhanced with hindsight.
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Let's not get too precious about the facts - it is a discussion forum and things will be speculated in the absence of objective information. By de facto the case was dismissed by the learned Judge - res ipsa loquitur!
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In this instance (as indeed in all others) the court dealt with facts - not theories.
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Indeed Jon, but that is the role of the courts to deal with facts - immediate causal factor. We as h&s practitioners need to be aware of subjective elements lurking behind those facts - underlying causal factors. So, to answer your other question - no one has been held responsible for the seven fatalities.
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And the fact is that there was no case to answer based on the facts that the court heard.
There will always be a strong desire to blame someone especially in such tragic cases and yes accidents don't just happen. The point for me, however, is whether it was in the wit of any reasonable person or organisation to control and/or prevent it.
I don't speculate on whether the judgement was correct or not; it is what it is.
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It was a tragic event and my heart felt sympathies go out to all who suffered loss. However, the loss should not steer us to the conclusion that everyone was driving to the prevailing conditions. Also, I understand the witnesses in the case who were driving along that road at the time reported seeing thick fog and made no mention of smoke.
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I thought from the original report that the case was dismissed as the judge felt the it was not possible to foresee that any smoke produced by the display could cause an accident. The question as to whether there WAS any smoke on the road is not relevant. Neither is the fact that that part of the M5 is prone to fog.
The question is; are we expected to use risk assessments to make predictions as to what might happen and to take the necessary precautions or do we use it to check what is happening and not worry about predicting possible events?
If that is so I am confused since I have always been told that a risk assessment is a predictive tool.
I have done some digging and this piece of case law- R v Tangerine Confectionery Ltd and Veolia ES (UK) LTD- Court of Appeal 2011 seems to be the relevant one.
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“Foreseeability of risk (strictly foreseeability of danger) is indeed relevant to the question whether a risk to safety exists. That accords with the ordinary meaning of risk, as is demonstrated by the concept of a risk assessment, which is itself an exercise in foresight. Whether a material risk exists or does not is, in these cases, a jury question and the foreseeability (or lack of it) of some danger or injury is a part of the enquiry. None of this, however, means that in a prosecution under either section[ 2 and 3 of the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974] it is incumbent on the Crown to prove that the accident which occurred was foreseeable [Not what the judge in this case said- my comment]. That would convert the sections into ones creating offences of failing to take reasonable care to avoid a specific incident. It means no more than that the sections are concerned with exposure to risk of injury, and that the extent to which injury is foreseeable is part of the enquiry into the level of risk. The sections do not command an enquiry into the likelihood (or foreseeability) of the events which have in fact occurred. They command an enquiry into the possibility of injury. They are not limited, in the risks to which they apply, to risks which are obvious. “
Some I am right to be confused by this judgement.
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A Kurdziel wrote:I thought from the original report that the case was dismissed as the judge felt the it was not possible to foresee that any smoke produced by the display could cause an accident. The question as to whether there WAS any smoke on the road is not relevant. Neither is the fact that that part of the M5 is prone to fog.
The question is; are we expected to use risk assessments to make predictions as to what might happen and to take the necessary precautions or do we use it to check what is happening and not worry about predicting possible events?
If that is so I am confused since I have always been told that a risk assessment is a predictive tool.
I have done some digging and this piece of case law- R v Tangerine Confectionery Ltd and Veolia ES (UK) LTD- Court of Appeal 2011 seems to be the relevant one.
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“Foreseeability of risk (strictly foreseeability of danger) is indeed relevant to the question whether a risk to safety exists. That accords with the ordinary meaning of risk, as is demonstrated by the concept of a risk assessment, which is itself an exercise in foresight. Whether a material risk exists or does not is, in these cases, a jury question and the foreseeability (or lack of it) of some danger or injury is a part of the enquiry. None of this, however, means that in a prosecution under either section[ 2 and 3 of the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974] it is incumbent on the Crown to prove that the accident which occurred was foreseeable [Not what the judge in this case said- my comment]. That would convert the sections into ones creating offences of failing to take reasonable care to avoid a specific incident. It means no more than that the sections are concerned with exposure to risk of injury, and that the extent to which injury is foreseeable is part of the enquiry into the level of risk. The sections do not command an enquiry into the likelihood (or foreseeability) of the events which have in fact occurred. They command an enquiry into the possibility of injury. They are not limited, in the risks to which they apply, to risks which are obvious. “
Some I am right to be confused by this judgement.
I am a bit confused as well...with the words of the Judge and your own narrative.
Many judgments are on the extreme edge of risk management - we are aware of its existance but rarely visit it. Therefore we need to ask what relevance these judgments have to h&s practitioners in the real world? We may look for guidance and clarity but in reality there is little. Largely because of hindsight bias. As practitioners we do not posses hindsight, we make a risk assessment, judgement, or give advice, based on the best information we have to hand. Notwithstanding this, minor incidents can have major consequences and vice versa. The M5 pile up is arguably just another example.
Furthermore, the legal profession tend get embroiled in definitions (obsessed would be a more accurate description) which is often no more than semantics to lay persons. What practitioners would describe as 'suitable and sufficient' would be argued to death in court. Fortunately we rarely have to suffer the indignation of a court appearance and have our professional integrity questioned by a sagacious lawyer.
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