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Joey2002  
#1 Posted : 17 December 2013 22:04:45(UTC)
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Joey2002

If a company vehicle parks up at the company's stores area and another vehicle collides with an operative who has just exited the company vehicle, is this classed as a RIDDOR if the operative is absent from work for more than a week, or is it classed as a Road Traffic Accident (RTA). My thoughts are that it is a RIDDOR as the operative is in paid work at the time of the collision.
hserc  
#2 Posted : 18 December 2013 08:42:58(UTC)
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hserc

I would say definitely RIDDOR reportable. It sounds like the accident occurred on your company premises (not on a public road?) and the employee was at work. My guess is that if it was on a public road it would be both an RTA and RIDDOR reportable.
Kate.  
#3 Posted : 18 December 2013 09:16:20(UTC)
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Kate.

I suggest that instead of guessing, or getting the guesses of oeehrs, you read the HSE's own RIDDOR guidance on their website. It's perfectly clear about this situation.
MrsBlue  
#4 Posted : 18 December 2013 10:57:44(UTC)
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I like your style Kate!!!!! Rich
A Kurdziel  
#5 Posted : 18 December 2013 11:04:01(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Rich777 wrote:
I like your style Kate!!!!! Rich
Who said ClaireL was going to be missed
MrsBlue  
#6 Posted : 18 December 2013 11:10:09(UTC)
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I hope ClaireL has only a short suspension. She talked a lot of sense most of the time. Rich
pete48  
#7 Posted : 18 December 2013 12:04:30(UTC)
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pete48

Err, Claire left of her own accord as I remember her last post. @joey. see this pagehttp://www.legislation.g.../1471/regulation/14/made This is were you will find the definition that Kate so kindly told you existed but didn't reference for you. So if you have identified that it occurred on a 'road' it is an RTA and not RIDDOR. And vice versa. hth p48
David Borland  
#8 Posted : 18 December 2013 12:35:01(UTC)
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David Borland

Seriously I can take no more.... as Pete pointed out the self styled forthright northern lass left of her own accord ...after a self penned parade lap which may have been viewed by some as a teeny wee bit self aggrandising and further cluttering of the forum with junk. Rather than the deification of certain "super" users (I believe this badge is awarded for the quantity as opposed to quality of posts) maybe the forum would function better as a tool for H & S professionals if we stuck to the point. BTW from my limited experience of the forum Kate seems to talk a fair bit of sense, doesn't cross the line in terms of offensiveness and to my knowledge has not spat any dummies so comparing her with the departed Claire is really doing her a bit of a dis-service in my opinion. Not intended to be controversial and I won't be responding to any frothing at the mouth responses. All the best.
HSSnail  
#9 Posted : 18 December 2013 12:48:43(UTC)
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HSSnail

I'm so glad that when I started out in Health and Safety or even now when I have a question people don't just say "Go Look It Up!". Joey to try and offer you some help: The fact that the people were at work does not automatically make the incident reportable. It has to arise out of "the work activity". In order to decide on your case I would need more information. For example is the accident due to a poorly designed work place transport system which would make it reportable, or just some bad driving by someone on their way into work which I think would make it none reportable. Hope that helps a little.
peter gotch  
#10 Posted : 18 December 2013 12:56:09(UTC)
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peter gotch

Joey. In my opinion definitely reportable if it meets the time off criteria for an over 7 day injury accident.
jarsmith83  
#11 Posted : 18 December 2013 13:50:21(UTC)
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jarsmith83

Hi all Before I get battered with a sarcastic response I will say, I might be being stupid here, but what exactly is an RTI 'Reportable'?
pl53  
#12 Posted : 18 December 2013 15:06:37(UTC)
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pl53

Don't want to hijack this thread but I've got to agree with David. There's nothing wrong with being "straight to the point" if that means actually addressing the point in question. However when being " straight to the point" is actually an excuse for being overly brusque, then to me that crosses the line. The said northermn lass did that too often. To get back to the original question as to whether this is a RIDDOR reportable accident I would say yes. My reasons for this are: The IP was in the company's stores area, not on the public highway (please correct me if I am wrong here). If the other vehicle is invoved in part of the company's undertaking then it is a piece of work equipment. I believe for those reasons the incident was not a road traffic accident. jarsmith83 I have never heard of the phrase RTI "reportable", but I imagine the RTI bit stands for road traffic incident.
jarsmith83  
#13 Posted : 18 December 2013 15:37:32(UTC)
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jarsmith83

PL53 wrote:
jarsmith83 I have never heard of the phrase RTI "reportable", but I imagine the RTI bit stands for road traffic incident.
Yep get that bit, just wondered what the reportable part was.
Kate.  
#14 Posted : 18 December 2013 16:20:49(UTC)
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Kate.

I agree it would have been more helpful of me to provide a reference. The reference I'd give is: www.hse.gov.uk/riddor which gives guidance as well as the text of the regulations.
Joey2002  
#15 Posted : 19 December 2013 17:21:14(UTC)
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Joey2002

I would like to thank you all for your responses to this post it is very much appreciated. It appears my first thoughts were correct and it is great to get feedback from fellow professionals. All the best for Christmas and New year. Joe
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