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MrsBlue  
#1 Posted : 08 January 2014 11:24:04(UTC)
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Now we all know that fire evacuation routes should be suitably signed. But, does this apply only to primary routes or do you have to sign secondary routes as well?

I believe it could get messy and very confusing if both routes (could even be multiple routes in a complex building) were signed.

Thoughts please as I recently started a new job and there is fire signage all over the place some of which lead you back into the building albeit finally to a fire exit door.

Rich
jonpsych  
#2 Posted : 08 January 2014 11:44:44(UTC)
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jonpsych

Exiting a room you should eb able to see a sign pointing to the nearest fire exit and then that route should be signposted all the way to the final exit door. In my (humble) opinion you cannot have too many fire routes and providing you can find an exit it doesnt matter whether it is a primary one or not. I work in a reasonably complex building and from where I sit I can see 3 fire exit signs all pointing to different exits.

The easiest way around the matter is that all people who come to work in the building or who are transferred in the building should have a brief fire induction (seperate from any H&S induction) which shows the fire routes near where they work and takes them through any unfamiliar aspects of the escape route (security on fire doors etc). This should be done by or delegated by their line manager and the person should sign to show that they have been shown the routes.

Get people away from any fire and give them clearly signed options if their preferred route is unusable.

I hope this is of some use
JJ Prendergast  
#3 Posted : 08 January 2014 12:01:38(UTC)
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See

BS499-4:2000 Safety signs, including fire safety signs

Part 4 Code of practice for escape route signing
Frank Hallett  
#4 Posted : 08 January 2014 12:14:06(UTC)
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Frank Hallett

Good morning Rich

This is a perennial question that genuinely has no easy answer!

There is considerable danger in proliferation of signs that may need to be successfully interpreted under conditions of stress [like responding to a fire alarm, being a visitor, contractor or new employee etc] and the intention should always be to provide routes that allow the user to walk away from the fire and products of combustion.

I do not disagree with Jonpsych and his "induction" approach; but that begs the question of providing an adequate number of suitably protected routes [including alternatives where necessary] that are suitably signed and will take the user to the designated "place of safety" by the shortest, safest, route.

If alternate routes are identified as necessay, they should be appropriately signed as well. To minimise confusion, the Primary route should preferably go via the route least likely to be exposed to, or affected by, fire. The Alternate route should also be protected from being affected by the fire or products of combustion and in complex buildings be clearly differentiated from the Primary route by coding on the signs - there are no helpful suggestions in the Safety Signs & Signals Regs for this and JJs suggestion of BS499 is a good one - and only be provided to address the possibility of the Primary route actually becoming sufficiently affected by the fire so as to become unusable!

No route should take a user out of the affected building and then back into it; although taking the user into another structure is acceptable.

I'm sure that you'll get an avalanche of other helpful responses so I'll leave it there. If you need any more just PM me.

Frank Hallett

CarlT  
#5 Posted : 08 January 2014 12:19:59(UTC)
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CarlT

Well said Frank although I do strongly believe that evacuation routes and the identity of the fire warden should be made known to new inductees, not that this needs to be a seperate induction.
Frank Hallett  
#6 Posted : 08 January 2014 12:29:34(UTC)
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Frank Hallett

Hi Carl

I entirely agree - but my point is that have to be clear and unambiguously signed routes to be inducted on!!

Frank Hallett
jonpsych  
#7 Posted : 08 January 2014 12:32:34(UTC)
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jonpsych

The reason for the seperate induction is that it should be done within hours of them starting, H&S inductions are often delayed
CarlT  
#8 Posted : 08 January 2014 12:35:11(UTC)
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CarlT

Yes there does, and I hope I am totally unambiguous in my support of your previous post :-)
CarlT  
#9 Posted : 08 January 2014 12:41:10(UTC)
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CarlT

jonsych, In the company I previously worked at the corporate induction was conducted often times weeks after the employee started but we had a policy of the employees line manager conducting a seperate workplace induction for new starters which was about the general layout of the buildings, introductions to immediate colleagues, where the toilets are etc but included such things as where the fire routes are and where the muster point is and who the fire warden and first aider are.
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