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Ciaranke  
#1 Posted : 24 January 2014 09:34:55(UTC)
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Ciaranke

are there any rules or regs that state that an engineer needs a permit to carrry out "live Work" in order to fault find a machine?
Steve e ashton  
#2 Posted : 24 January 2014 09:43:44(UTC)
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Steve e ashton

It depends where in the world you are, what industry you are working in, who's site you are working on and what sort of machine you are intending to work on...
PIKEMAN  
#3 Posted : 24 January 2014 11:51:52(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

If there is no legal obligation, in my view you should in any case have a safe system of work - this may involve a Permit To Work, it may involve "working under own isolations" - or anything. It would down to the local competent person and management to decide.
Canopener  
#4 Posted : 24 January 2014 11:52:43(UTC)
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Canopener

As I recall the EAR (now that's an acronym!) doesn't necessarily specifically require a permit, but it does set down the circumstances in which live work can be carried out, something along the lines of: 1. That it must be reasonable in all circumstances to do the work on live circuits 2. That it is unreasonable in all circumstances not to do the work on live circuits Have you checked the regs?
Ciaranke  
#5 Posted : 24 January 2014 18:41:13(UTC)
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Ciaranke

Thanks for the feedback guys the location is Ireland its the food producing industry and I cant find regs for it anywhere
westonphil  
#6 Posted : 24 January 2014 20:07:39(UTC)
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westonphil

Providing you can justify working live and the work can be completed safely, so far as is reasonably practicable, then you can proceed with it. The key is the justification and the Safe System of Work that you implement. You can Google plenty of advice re SSoW's and all that they entail. If you want some HSE guidance then http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/hsg85.pdf Regards.
westonphil  
#7 Posted : 24 January 2014 20:29:58(UTC)
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westonphil

PS: If you are working in the Republic of Ireland then the relevant regulations are http://www.hsa.ie/eng/Pu...Gen_Apps_Electricity.pdf and a relevant section is: Regulation 86(1)(d) requires three conditions to be met before live working is allowed: (i) It is unreasonable in the circumstances for electrical equipment to be dead (ii) It is reasonable in the circumstances for work to be carried out on or near the live part (iii) Suitable precautions have been taken to prevent danger, including using a safe system of work and the provision of personal protective equipment, as necessary. Regards.
bob youel  
#8 Posted : 25 January 2014 08:05:45(UTC)
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bob youel

great advice here Good PTW's as an add in/part of the overall SSoW have found to be good tools over the years so I would use them especially in this type of situation irrespective of other areas
kevkel  
#9 Posted : 27 January 2014 11:42:14(UTC)
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kevkel

Hi Ciaran, If you follow the link and click on the one marked ET206A it gives a good flow chart for working with electricity. http://www.etci.ie/publi...a278474901163f35f393618c Kevin
Canopener  
#10 Posted : 27 January 2014 11:46:52(UTC)
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Canopener

It's always handy to state the jurisdiction that you are under at the beginning, so we don't lead you up the garden path (and you don't lead us the same way!)
peter gotch  
#11 Posted : 27 January 2014 13:01:22(UTC)
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peter gotch

But Canopener, the regulation in the Republic is identical to that in force in GB and Northern Ireland.
Canopener  
#12 Posted : 27 January 2014 15:36:43(UTC)
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Canopener

quote=peter gotch]But Canopener, the regulation in the Republic is identical to that in force in GB and Northern Ireland.
That may or may not be so; I haven't checked them word for word but in this case I have to take your word for it that they are identical. However, it would appear that the OP didn't check or know that either. And of course it might not have been the case had the OP been from..........well, pick a country/jurisdiction. However, I was actually trying to make a more general plea/point to all, that when asking about "rules or regs" it is useful (actually it will be clear to most that it is almost invariably essential) for the purposes trying to provide an answer, that we know the jurisdiction, otherwise most of us will assume UK (unless the OPs details suggest otherwise) only then to be told that they are in another jurisdiction. It doesn't seem like an unreasonable request, rather than having to 'milk' the OP for the full story.
Zimmy  
#13 Posted : 27 January 2014 20:36:34(UTC)
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Zimmy

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