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Graham  
#1 Posted : 04 February 2014 12:33:42(UTC)
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Graham

Hi I know I'm going to be quizzed on this, I've a pedantic lot here :-). Near-Miss suggests it 'nearly missed me' which means it hit me doesn't it? Or is this in comparison to a Far-Miss, which missed me by a long way! I know some use 'Close-Call' which I quite like. But does anyone know the derivation of 'Near-Miss'. Or is it just one of those odd English phrases that breaks down the more you think of it? Sorry, I know it's not Friday yet :-)
firesafety101  
#2 Posted : 04 February 2014 12:37:21(UTC)
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firesafety101

We,ve discussed this many times over. IMO it should be Near Hit.
A Kurdziel  
#3 Posted : 04 February 2014 12:43:55(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

OMGTWC- Oh My God That Was Close! or "You know that accident that you are investigating...well the same thing almost happened to me last month!”
rob clarke  
#4 Posted : 04 February 2014 12:49:34(UTC)
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rob clarke

It was a miss and it was nearby. I would imagine the term comes from military engineers or the navy who were ranging weapons.
boblewis  
#5 Posted : 04 February 2014 12:51:42(UTC)
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boblewis

I am a firm believer that almost all of these events have a personal failure by somebody at the root cause So lets call them WTI's - Where's The Idiots Bob
PIKEMAN  
#6 Posted : 04 February 2014 13:20:49(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

And of course, it is nearly always the fault of the last worker to actually have contact with the item in question, usually the worker of the lowest rank. It is never the fault of the managers or the management systems.
RCN  
#7 Posted : 04 February 2014 17:16:47(UTC)
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RCN

Agree, Near Miss is one and the same as A Hit! - I tend to use "HAZARD ALERT"
DavidGault  
#8 Posted : 06 February 2014 10:34:23(UTC)
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DavidGault

The saying 'near miss' is a colloqiualism that most people understand. Changing to near hit just confuses people. I believe it stems from the aviation industry classifiying some misses as near and others faraway but I stand to be corrected.
achrn  
#9 Posted : 06 February 2014 10:50:23(UTC)
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achrn

It was a miss and it was near. The objections to 'near miss' seem almost universally to be based on the erroneous assumption that the term is 'nearly miss'. It's not. "near" and "nearly" are different words with different meanings. Notwithstanding that, even if the term was etymologically wrong, everyone knows what it means. Changing it to something like "near hit" (which is actually more wrong, because it's not a near hit it's a nearly hit) seems to be just generating confusion for no good reason.
Lawlee45239  
#10 Posted : 06 February 2014 10:55:15(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

Near-miss:- "an unplanned event which does not cause injury or damage, but could have done so." Examples include: items falling near to personnel from HSE
pl53  
#11 Posted : 06 February 2014 13:29:55(UTC)
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pl53

Does it really matter what you call it as long as you record it and take the appropriate action.
jay  
#12 Posted : 06 February 2014 13:52:36(UTC)
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jay

There are several terms used in safety that can be interpreted to mean/define differentlly to different persons, depending upon context. therefore it is down to individual organisations to have a more explicit meaning of what they use the specific terms for. In our case we have decided that:- Near- Miss: An event without loss or injury i.e. an "event" has occurred, but nobody has been injured and no equipment has been damaged. Injury Accident: An event with injury i.e. someone has been hurt. Incident: An event with a loss, but no injury i.e. an event has occurred and there has been damage to equipment or a spill has gone beyond the point at which the material can be recovered. Potential Hazard: A hazard is identified.
Blonde Bandit  
#13 Posted : 07 February 2014 12:34:19(UTC)
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Blonde Bandit

Skid mark moment.
pete48  
#14 Posted : 07 February 2014 16:57:36(UTC)
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pete48

Using ‘miss’ strongly suggests a sense of error or failure? Take any definition from non OSH but erudite commentary and you find: --Something that fails by a very narrow margin. --Any result that is nearly but not quite successful. --An occasion when something almost happens but does not. So not a lot of help there then! Could all be a bit hit and miss if you delve too deeply in my opinion ;-) As has been said, just make sure they understand what you are asking them to report. p48
RayRapp  
#15 Posted : 09 February 2014 18:56:34(UTC)
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RayRapp

It looks like we are all back at school. Near miss/hit, close call,...it does not matter what you call it, as long as people understand what it is and generally people do understand.
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