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RCN  
#1 Posted : 03 February 2014 09:02:09(UTC)
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RCN

Hi all, Sadly, I am tied to a strict budget for the next few months yet I need to purchase a sound level meter. This equipment ranges from £100 - £lots of thousands!! Any recommendations that are reasonably cheap (sub £300) that still offer compliance to the noise at work regulations? Arco list one as "type 2" but say it does not comply, I wonder if that's because it does not have its own calibration kit? I say that as I've found a couple of others that are on the cheap side with a calibration unit and certification yet they reckon they comply?
IanDakin  
#2 Posted : 03 February 2014 09:34:02(UTC)
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IanDakin

Hi What are the noise levels like? What type of workplace is it? Are you looking to get indicative levels or personal dose? Maybe with such a low budget you should consider hiring kit in, maybe an environmental meter and personal dose badges? Ian
RCN  
#3 Posted : 03 February 2014 09:45:33(UTC)
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RCN

Hi Ian, We are industrial cleaner subcontractors to heavy industry, so we can be exposed to all manner of industrial noise. That perhaps is not my key concerns as in theory our "blue chip" clients have conducted noise assessments and signage accordingly. As a rule they are generally good. One of my key concerns is the machinery / equipment we use (engine driven pumps, jack hammers etc) that we introduce to their work space or when on a customer site where H&S controls are not adequate and we force them to at least our standard. I like your suggestion of hiring in the equipment, my only problem is that as we are contractors, its difficult to plan ahead for any assessment as the task / site / equipment can change on a weekly basis and therefore it would be ideal to have a meter / dose badge to hand. It may seem that we are flying by the seat of our pants here, but I am confident that the bulk of our customer controls and the positive attitude of our working crew (who have hearing protection issued as standard) are safe, I just have no official documentation to support this.
PIKEMAN  
#4 Posted : 03 February 2014 10:11:02(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

I am going to be blunt here. If you want to be able to avoid / defend claims for Noise Induced Hearing Loss (NIHL) then either get a noise consultant in or get your self properly trained and equipped; there is no point in going at this half heartedly - the short term money saving will not give long term benefit if you get even one successful claim. Hope this helps.
RCN  
#5 Posted : 03 February 2014 10:33:38(UTC)
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RCN

Understand exactly where you are coming from Pikeman - I might be using this thread for a capital expenditure request!
paul-ps  
#6 Posted : 03 February 2014 12:15:17(UTC)
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paul-ps

I use a 3M SD200 that was around that price.
bob youel  
#7 Posted : 03 February 2014 12:27:35(UTC)
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bob youel

who have hearing protection issued as standard" re the above statement - how do you know what PPE to issue without noise measurement and dose appraisal
RCN  
#8 Posted : 03 February 2014 14:15:31(UTC)
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RCN

paul-ps wrote:
I use a 3M SD200 that was around that price.
Yeah, that's the one I looked at, Arco tech support said its not suitable, thats what prompted this post Bob Youel, "who have hearing protection issued as standard" re the above statement - how do you know what PPE to issue without noise measurement and dose appraisal" We have a number of crew sited permanently on customer sites, these places have been appraised and guidance given to the workforce (by the client) regarding suitable protection - to that end we supply them with a range of relevant equipment to support them. With regard to the other sites, the need for assessment has been recognized - along with the need to purchase suitable equipment
John M  
#9 Posted : 03 February 2014 14:31:20(UTC)
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John M

We use RION class (type) 1 meters. £4.5K to buy new +£300 annual calibration fee. Excellent products. Class (type) 2 can be purchased on ebay for £20.00 or thereabouts. Jon
RCN  
#10 Posted : 03 February 2014 14:43:23(UTC)
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RCN

John M wrote:
We use RION class (type) 1 meters. £4.5K to buy new +£300 annual calibration fee. Excellent products. Class (type) 2 can be purchased on ebay for £20.00 or thereabouts. Jon
Unfortunately Jon, we don't have the upper end cash right now (but its proposed for the future), as a rule our MD is very good with H&S investment and the moment we can afford such a machine he will give the go ahead. in the interim I have been looking at this: http://www.tester.co.uk/...-software-and-carry-case Its class 2, IEC651 so I believe it is suitable?
John M  
#11 Posted : 03 February 2014 14:52:46(UTC)
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John M

Should be fine for basic & spot recording and non contentious measurements. You should be able to hire Class (type) 1 meters for about £25. per day . Make sure you have a calibration cert with it. Jon
RP  
#12 Posted : 03 February 2014 17:59:34(UTC)
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RP

I use an iPhone Application to measure noise/sound levels, pretty accurate. also refer to manufactures information. one to consider...
RCN  
#13 Posted : 03 February 2014 19:36:05(UTC)
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RCN

RP wrote:
I use an iPhone Application to measure noise/sound levels, pretty accurate. also refer to manufactures information. one to consider...
I have the 3m Optime Sound Advice App on my phone, whilst its very handy, Im not so sure about its credentials - i.e. calibration and accuracy - very handy if it were good enough!
paul-ps  
#14 Posted : 04 February 2014 09:01:52(UTC)
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paul-ps

I enquired with 3M as to whether the SD200 would stand up in court & they said it would, provided it was calibrated.
RCN  
#15 Posted : 04 February 2014 09:17:42(UTC)
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RCN

Thats interesting to know Paul, As has been mentioned above, this is a difficult one to comply with only having a limited budget, as I'm now fed up of going around in circles I have concluded that the key reason the cheap end Level 2 meters do not comply is because of their inability to integrate (average Leq).
Billibob  
#16 Posted : 04 February 2014 11:53:34(UTC)
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Billibob

You can hire meters if you only need them for a short duration of a particular project. Have a look at the Castle website as have used them before and meters are good.
gramsay  
#17 Posted : 04 February 2014 12:01:45(UTC)
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gramsay

RCN wrote:
in the interim I have been looking at this: http://www.tester.co.uk/...-software-and-carry-case Its class 2, IEC651 so I believe it is suitable?
Hi RCN, Just a heads-up but I don't think that meter is an integrating meter. That standard is old but I think it referred to meters which basically let you see instantaneous levels only. Maybe someone familiar with the old standards can confirm - it might be why it's so cheap, too. We replaced our Class 1 meter with a new Class 2 this year (like most people, we have no need for Class 1 precision). We spent £4k and got a meter (with octave measurements), 4 dose badges and calibrators for both - I think the meter on it's own was around £1500. If you can put your £300 in the cupboard and pitch for some more for 14-15 maybe waiting until April might be better! Either that or, as was suggested, try to find a way to fit renting into your work pattern. Good luck whatever you do.
RCN  
#18 Posted : 04 February 2014 17:19:22(UTC)
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RCN

Cheers Gramsay, After going around in circles for 48 hours Im going for the rental approach with the cap ex request in place. I like to sleep at night!
paul-ps  
#19 Posted : 06 February 2014 14:42:35(UTC)
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paul-ps

Can anyone clarify why a £300 calibrated sound meter would possibly not stand up in court? The SD200 does give a Leq reading, by the way.
IanDakin  
#20 Posted : 06 February 2014 15:31:29(UTC)
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IanDakin

Paul-Ps An environmental noise meter can tell you in your risk assessment if you might have a problem. But it won't give you personal noise dosage. So, for example, in a warehouse your noise meter may well show you have relatively low levels of noise, but what it can't do is measure the level of noise that, for example, a gas or diesel counter balance driver is exposed to over an 8 hour period. Different tools for different tools for different situations. Ian
paul-ps  
#21 Posted : 07 February 2014 10:37:30(UTC)
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paul-ps

In that situation accepted, you would need a dose monitor, but where noise samples are taken for a repeated process such as processing a part, would there be an issue between using a calibrated 4.5K meter and a calibrated £300 one when an Leq is given???
Phillip Clarke  
#22 Posted : 07 February 2014 22:59:16(UTC)
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Phillip Clarke

RCN wrote:
I have the 3m Optime Sound Advice App on my phone, whilst its very handy, Im not so sure about its credentials - i.e. calibration and accuracy - very handy if it were good enough!
I did a little testing with some free iPhone SLM Apps and found that they were generally 2 - 3 dB out. But they are good for general information. Maybe they would be accurate with an external mic?
David Bannister  
#23 Posted : 08 February 2014 11:19:31(UTC)
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David Bannister

I have used a phone App to convince a sceptical employer of the need to commission a noise survey but that is about the limit of its use in an occupational setting.
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