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zan  
#1 Posted : 11 February 2014 09:31:21(UTC)
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zan

we have a contractor working on our site using a mobile scaffolding tower. Everything else is fine but no toe boards on the scaffolds. what right do we have to ask him to put the toe boards. I have just started work here and new to health and safety, wanted to be sure before making a fuss. Any suggestion how to go about it?
Frank Hallett  
#2 Posted : 11 February 2014 09:35:47(UTC)
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Frank Hallett

No toe-boards = non-compliance with Work at Height Regs Schedule 1-3 = additional fall-prevention means required. Or stop the work until toe-boards are fitted! I hope that there's a good exclusion zone around the tower to cater for tools etc coming off the edge? Frank Hallett
CarlT  
#3 Posted : 11 February 2014 09:50:08(UTC)
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CarlT

Do not allow the contractor to continue working until the toe boards are fitted. If you knowingly allow unsafe practices by a contractor on your site and something goes wrong you will share the blame.
aud  
#4 Posted : 11 February 2014 10:28:33(UTC)
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aud

Hi Zan. You know it's not right, but your question was, as a bit of a newby, how do you go about actually dealing with this. First: If there is an immediate and serious risk, you should intervene, to protect your own staff or visitors. (then do as below). However, if there is more time . . . Find out who commissioned the contractor, and contact whoever who is 'overseeing' it. Contracts usually include a standard requirement to 'comply with legislation'. Therefore there is a breach of contract, which means the power of NO. Work with the contract administrator, rather than as the independent 'safety police' as this could not only cause agro with the contractor, but upset other people in the business. Find out who 'owns' this work and advise THEM. Maybe talk to the contractor together, or if they ask that you do the 'enforcing', fair enough. Approach in a helpful way; the contractor may have hired the kit and not got toeboards, they may not realise, etc. The contract administrator may not realise either. Yes you are protecting your organisation, but also the contractor.
RCN  
#5 Posted : 11 February 2014 10:48:06(UTC)
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RCN

aud wrote:
Hi Zan. You know it's not right, but your question was, as a bit of a newby, how do you go about actually dealing with this. First: If there is an immediate and serious risk, you should intervene, to protect your own staff or visitors. (then do as below). However, if there is more time . . . Find out who commissioned the contractor, and contact whoever who is 'overseeing' it. Contracts usually include a standard requirement to 'comply with legislation'. Therefore there is a breach of contract, which means the power of NO. Work with the contract administrator, rather than as the independent 'safety police' as this could not only cause agro with the contractor, but upset other people in the business. Find out who 'owns' this work and advise THEM. Maybe talk to the contractor together, or if they ask that you do the 'enforcing', fair enough. Approach in a helpful way; the contractor may have hired the kit and not got toeboards, they may not realise, etc. The contract administrator may not realise either. Yes you are protecting your organisation, but also the contractor.
^^ = All is good advice - don't delay on the positive intervention, it could save somebody! I also agree with the helpful approach, whilst the majority on this forum have a good understanding, that is not necessarily true for all - share the learning - its part of our jobs!
CarlT  
#6 Posted : 11 February 2014 10:57:23(UTC)
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CarlT

^^ = All is good advice - don't delay on the positive intervention, it could save somebody! I also agree with the helpful approach, whilst the majority on this forum have a good understanding, that is not necessarily true for all - share the learning - its part of our jobs!
Great point RCN and also aud, after a while in the game you (I) tend to expect everyone knows the "how to" so thanks for the timely reminder that we were all new once.
zan  
#7 Posted : 11 February 2014 11:24:55(UTC)
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zan

UPDATE I just had a word with the contractor. Apparently he was provided with the toe boards but never fitted them to the tower. I asked him to fit the toe boards before using the tower again. He agreed . “RESULT” Thank you all for your support.
sutty  
#8 Posted : 11 February 2014 11:52:09(UTC)
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sutty

Time form issue raised to conclusion and a satisfactory outcome = less than 2 hours! Snipey/prickly/unhelpful/unnecessary comments = 0 Helpful comments/advice = 5 All in all a good result for this forum.
A Kurdziel  
#9 Posted : 11 February 2014 12:05:10(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Is this an unecessary comment?
aland76  
#10 Posted : 11 February 2014 14:58:14(UTC)
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aland76

Good result zan, small victories like this really give your confidence a boost when new to the game (I say as a relative newby myself), and you've hit on the key to successful safety management - communication. Keep talking with the guys, some will respond positively, some won't, but the majority of issues can be resolved just by talking with the contractors and constructively pointing out what is wrong, but more importantly (in my opinion) offering a solution. If you're seen to be wanting to keep the job moving rather than putting obstacles in the way you've won half the battle :) Al
sutty  
#11 Posted : 11 February 2014 16:59:49(UTC)
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sutty

A Kurdziel wrote:
Is this an unecessary comment?
Not at all, my point was that when the dross has been sifted through, or even avoided completely (as in this case) we can achieve good results without the sniping and trolling. But apparently not for long!
frankc  
#12 Posted : 11 February 2014 20:45:41(UTC)
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frankc

zan wrote:
UPDATE I just had a word with the contractor. Apparently he was provided with the toe boards but never fitted them to the tower. I asked him to fit the toe boards before using the tower again. He agreed . “RESULT” Thank you all for your support.
As an aside, it might be worth checking if they have had sufficient training on assembling mobile towers.
anthonyb  
#13 Posted : 11 February 2014 21:04:44(UTC)
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anthonyb

Hi zan, Have you checked that the contractor has had the necessary training etc to be deemed competent to erect the mobile tower ? From a Learning from Experience point of view I would record this has an incident/near miss to find out why the toe boards were not fitted in the first place. Regards, Tony
Stern  
#14 Posted : 13 February 2014 17:32:57(UTC)
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Stern

Any equipment used on site must be used as the manufacturer intended. If the manufacturer intended for toeboards to be fitted then toeboards must be fitted. Simples! :-) As far as training goes, the vast majority of sites will ask for PASMA training (as do we) for anybody assembling, adjusting or inspecting scaffold towers and PASMA always teaches you to build the tower in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions so that gives you another potential angle. If all else fails just shout "WORKING AT HEIGHT REGS!" and try to look serious. Usually works.
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