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Steve Andrews  
#1 Posted : 09 December 2013 13:56:58(UTC)
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Steve Andrews

Hill , I've recently been asked by my Employer to deliver training to all staff where i work , I hold Nebosh gen and have been a H&S advisor for the past 12 mts , is there anything in Nebosh that allows me to deliver the training package we have or do I need a further qualification ? Thanks in advance.
Safe Hanz  
#2 Posted : 09 December 2013 14:26:24(UTC)
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Safe Hanz

There is nothing to stop you delivering in house training if you are competent to do so. If you wish to deliver accredited courses it is a little different. IOSH require trainers to have the PTLLS qualification which shows you HOW to teach as opposed to WHAT you should be teaching. You may well have all the information regarding legislative requirements and current guidance but if you are unaware as to how to deliver the content of your courses so as to enable effective learning from your delegates you will not be an effective instructor. See if your employer will send you on the PTLLS (Preparing to teach in the life long learning sector). It will ensure his employees are getting the best qualified instruction as well as your qualified guidance.
Steve Andrews  
#3 Posted : 09 December 2013 14:33:56(UTC)
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Steve Andrews

That's great info dgover, the course content is directly connected to my job and so shouldn't be a problem , I will be asking for the PTLLS course tho , sounds Like something that will benefit in the future. Thank you for the advice.
fscott  
#4 Posted : 09 December 2013 15:33:42(UTC)
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fscott

As already said, I'd highly recommend some sort of course to teach you how to teach to ensure that you have an understanding about training techniques and trainee learning styles so that any training session you deliver is effective for those it is aimed at and is not simply a death by PowerPoint regurgitation of legislation.
bob youel  
#5 Posted : 09 December 2013 17:56:20(UTC)
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bob youel

just because you have a specialist academic qualification it does not automatically make you a trainer -----------this has been a problem of the profession for many years ----------- I advise that some sort of formal 'how to teach' qualification is gained e.g. knowing the difference between cognitive and affective learning etc. is in my view required
Steve Andrews  
#6 Posted : 09 December 2013 18:15:11(UTC)
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Steve Andrews

Thanks for the replies guys , I will take all of your advice and book some courses to enable me to effectively deliver the course .
Clairel  
#7 Posted : 10 December 2013 09:21:21(UTC)
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Clairel

To throw a further pebble into the mix I actually think that either you are good at teaching or not. Having a PTLLS certificate doesn't make you a good teacher / trainer / instructor. Just because you don't have a PTLLS certificate doesn't make you a bad teacher / trainer / instructor. Personally I have the PTTL's certificate but didn't feel I benefited from the course content at all. Just a bit of paper to me.
Steve Andrews  
#8 Posted : 10 December 2013 12:38:47(UTC)
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Steve Andrews

Hi Clairel , its good to get another view on this , i suppose it is how i deliver it , i know from past courses that some tutors make you sleepy in the first 5 minutes and others keep your attention all day .ill have to think of says to make it exciting !
Steve Andrews  
#9 Posted : 10 December 2013 12:42:32(UTC)
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Steve Andrews

That'll be "Ways to make it exciting" not Says !!!
rileym  
#10 Posted : 12 February 2014 09:56:11(UTC)
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rileym

I see this classic mistake all the time. Someone has knowledge so there is an assumption (often by their manager) they will be able to train on it. I am a trainer with a strong interest in H&S. I have been in a couple of jobs now where I have inherited "training" written by a H&S professional. In a few cases it has almost been an entire regulation or ACOP copied into a powerpoint presentation verbatim. I think this might be due to fear of missing something important. But I strongly agree with some of the comments above. You need to be a competent trainer (more than a competent H&S professional) to deliver effective training. Not everyone can be a trainer, anymore than I could ever be a singer or an artist.
Zimmy  
#11 Posted : 12 February 2014 10:06:07(UTC)
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Zimmy

I'm with Clarrel on that point. You either have the personality and passion to teach or not.
S Gibson  
#12 Posted : 12 February 2014 10:51:28(UTC)
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S Gibson

I have been a training provider for 12 yrs in the security industry and lately a training provider for IOSH. Have seen people make the mistake of trying to deliver training with only the basic knowledge of a subject. Gaining your NEBOSH is one thing trying to deliver that to a room full of strangers is completely different .What you need is at least City&guilds 7302 level 3.You could do this at you local college on day release over a 13 week period if you speak to these people first they will give you all the advice you need. Good luck
chris.packham  
#13 Posted : 12 February 2014 11:22:30(UTC)
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chris.packham

Further to Clairel’s excellent comment: As someone who has been teaching on their specialist topic for many years (and on other topics before that), I was once told by a superb teacher that: “You must consider yourself as being like an actor. That actor needs to take the audience and make them believe that he is Hamlet and that they are really in that castle in Denmark. You need to take the participants and make them see and feel what you see and feel. The key to this is passion. If you are not passionate about what you are teaching then you will not get them passionate about it either.” Some of the best advice I ever have had. Of course you need the knowledge of the subject. You also need to consider the participants and what they need, then pitch the presentation at the level where it makes sense to them. That way you can engage them and get the result you need. Chris
Steve Andrews  
#14 Posted : 12 February 2014 12:27:35(UTC)
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Steve Andrews

Thanks for all the responses ,im booked on a trainer course on monday ,hopefully i will benefit ,i agree with all the comments posted and hopefully my topic knowledge and passion for the subject will enable me to successfully deliver the course in a manner that suits all. Thanks again.
Stern  
#15 Posted : 13 February 2014 17:24:47(UTC)
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Stern

As somebody who develops and delivers in-house training and is PTLLS trained, I wouldn't agree with some of the other comments of PTLLS being a waste of time. Of course it is not the "be all and end all" but it is, in my opinion, an essential bit of training to have if you want to be a good trainer. Whilst it of course won't teach you passion and confidence (that's something you've got to work on yourself), what the course will teach you is similarly important things such as how to plan & structure lessons, how to identify different learning requirements, how to employ different teaching methods, how to approach different types of people and situations, even how to setup and layout your classroom depending on the course type.... Despite what many people seem to think (trainers and otherwise), training is not just about standing at the front of a room confidently reading out Powerpoint slides. Understanding how to put together properly planned, interesting, varied and involving lessons are, in my eyes, equally as important and without the knowledge PTLLS gives you, many will struggle to achieve this. I struggle to see how somebody serious about delivering training could attend the PTLLS course and not get anything out of it. Either they are already an accomplished trainer who already knows all the tricks of the trade or they failed to grasp the purpose of the course.
frankc  
#16 Posted : 13 February 2014 22:16:48(UTC)
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frankc

Stern wrote:
I struggle to see how somebody serious about delivering training could attend the PTLLS course and not get anything out of it. Either they are already an accomplished trainer who already knows all the tricks of the trade or they failed to grasp the purpose of the course.
I quite agree. I did the PTLLS course a couple of years ago and after delivering courses for the previous 4 years. On reflection, my early courses were mainly death by powerpoint and PTLLS enabled me to structure the courses properly and plan them much better. It also taught me about inclusion as i originally wrongly thought if some didn't want to get involved, i would leave them in their own little world. Now i bring them to the fore. Ask them questions directly, ones that can't be answered with a yes or no. Full chapter and verse has been amended to bullet points where i add comments to them and one of the main things PTLLS taught me was to ensure those on a course understood a particular point before moving on. If you don't take anything out of a course like PTLLS, then you either already know everything or possibly just think you do.
rob clarke  
#17 Posted : 13 February 2014 22:59:48(UTC)
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rob clarke

When I did PTTLLS, I went in wanting to learn about course and session structure, how to address my training to people at different levels and how to keep peoples attention. What I got was week after week after week on how to send students to student services so that the college could offer support and the college could rake in government funding. I do not consider this to have been particularly useful since I was driving about 20 miles from work to the college in question. There was about an hour on a series of hierarchical pyramid diagrams which covered pitching courses to differing levels. I also discovered that when asked "what is differentiation?" you will recieve ridicule for answering "It's the rate of change of a curve - although I don't really see any context for that in this lesson." This brings us all nicely round to the original post in as much as any training course can be run well or badly and a lot of training is run with an agenda behind it. The traiing I did was not a good fit for me because it was targeted at people who were expected to go on to teach at the college running the course and the training suited the colleges agenda. For someone who did not work there it was a waste of time.
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