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Does anyone have any further information with regards to the CDM review and the proposed consultation document?
I have had a brief look on the HSE website and cant find anything new on the review of the regulations or the consultation document.
thanks in advance
Allan
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I think the only news is no news (since the December confirmation that CMD-C is out).
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achrn wrote:I think the only news is no news (since the December confirmation that CMD-C is out). Could you advise where you have seen this "confirmation" ?
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This was confimed (provisionally) in the February edition of the Association for Project Safety Newsletter. They will be issuing a special edition of the Newsletter when more details are available.
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I was under the impression that all these matters where merely proposals and nothing at this stage is confirmed until it has actually been through consultation and the proposals agreed and passed into law.
Have I missed something then ?
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paulw71 wrote:achrn wrote:I think the only news is no news (since the December confirmation that CMD-C is out). Could you advise where you have seen this "confirmation" ? Judith Hackitt says so: http://www.hse.gov.uk/ab...cripts/hackitt051213.htm"Overall we believe that the revised package will deliver significant savings to businesses through the streamlining of processes and the removal of the CDM co-ordinator role "
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achrn wrote:paulw71 wrote:achrn wrote:I think the only news is no news (since the December confirmation that CMD-C is out). Could you advise where you have seen this "confirmation" ? Judith Hackitt says so: http://www.hse.gov.uk/ab...cripts/hackitt051213.htm"Overall we believe that the revised package will deliver significant savings to businesses through the streamlining of processes and the removal of the CDM co-ordinator role " Yes, I have also read this. Not really confirmation though is it ? It is what is currently proposed (along with numerous other matters which you have neglected to mention). As someone who is usually such a stickler for accuracy I would have thought you would be able to tell the difference between proposal and confirmation.
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paulw71 wrote:
Yes, I have also read this. Not really confirmation though is it ? It is what is currently proposed (along with numerous other matters which you have neglected to mention).
As someone who is usually such a stickler for accuracy I would have thought you would be able to tell the difference between proposal and confirmation.
The quote confirms that it is the content of the draft legislative package prepared by HSE. It is confirmed as being in what HSE has described as a "well-developed draft Statutory Instrument" (CONIAC July 2013 papers). I was assuming that since it is obvious to anyone with the faintest understanding of the legislative process that the actual final content of the actual statute cannot yet be finally confirmed, it would be obvious that this was the confirmation to which I was referring. I was further assuming that anyone with a sufficient interest in the topic to be reading the discussion would have at least this much grasp of the legislative process.
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achrn wrote:paulw71 wrote:
Yes, I have also read this. Not really confirmation though is it ? It is what is currently proposed (along with numerous other matters which you have neglected to mention).
As someone who is usually such a stickler for accuracy I would have thought you would be able to tell the difference between proposal and confirmation.
The quote confirms that it is the content of the draft legislative package prepared by HSE. It is confirmed as being in what HSE has described as a "well-developed draft Statutory Instrument" (CONIAC July 2013 papers). I was assuming that since it is obvious to anyone with the faintest understanding of the legislative process that the actual final content of the actual statute cannot yet be finally confirmed, it would be obvious that this was the confirmation to which I was referring. I was further assuming that anyone with a sufficient interest in the topic to be reading the discussion would have at least this much grasp of the legislative process. Its all very well trying to belittle me with your disparaging "anyone with the faintest understanding" and "least this much grasp" comments. The fact is that these proposals are not "confirmed" are they ?
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paulw71 wrote:
Its all very well trying to belittle me with your disparaging "anyone with the faintest understanding" and "least this much grasp" comments.
The fact is that these proposals are not "confirmed" are they ?
The quote given (and others) confirms (to a sufficient degree of reliability for the purposes of this discussion) that the well developed draft statute drops the CDM-C role, yes. The statute is not confirmed, and as I said, anyone who understands even the basics of the legislative process would know that it CANNOT yet be confirmed. I did assume that this was all patently obvious to anyone who would be interested in the discussion. I assumed everyone knew the statute has not already been passed (because it would not be passed before being published or undergone a consultation) and is not already in UK law. Sorry if that was not the case.
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I think that all reference to "confirmation" are in context of the consultation package and not the process after that. Our branch had one of the key HSE CDM Policy persons give a presentation on 20th January 2014 and he indicated that on one hand the consultation package is ready for HSE Board Approval , bu could not give any timeline! The key points in his presenation were:-
• Removal of the independent CDM Co-ordinator role and placing Design Phase health and safety co-ordination with a 'Principal Designer' (working title);
• Removal of the Appendix 4 Competence Assessment criteria;
• Placing construction phase co-ordination duties with the Principal Contractor;
• Full application of CDM Regulations to all projects with more than one contractor on site (including domestic projects);
• Placing client duties for domestic projects with the first appointee (architect or contractor).
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achrn wrote:paulw71 wrote:
Its all very well trying to belittle me with your disparaging "anyone with the faintest understanding" and "least this much grasp" comments.
The fact is that these proposals are not "confirmed" are they ?
The quote given (and others) confirms (to a sufficient degree of reliability for the purposes of this discussion) that the well developed draft statute drops the CDM-C role, yes. The statute is not confirmed, and as I said, anyone who understands even the basics of the legislative process would know that it CANNOT yet be confirmed. I did assume that this was all patently obvious to anyone who would be interested in the discussion. I assumed everyone knew the statute has not already been passed (because it would not be passed before being published or undergone a consultation) and is not already in UK law. Sorry if that was not the case. As I am sure you are aware the forum is used by many people with varying levels of knowledge of health and safety and the legislative process, from a variety of industries and different countries to whom it may not have been "patently obvious".
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The quote confirms that it is the content of the draft legislative package prepared by HSE. It is confirmed as being in what HSE has described as a "well-developed draft Statutory Instrument" (CONIAC July 2013 papers).
If there was a "well developed draft statutory instrument" way back in july 2013 how come the HSE have yet to release this document for consultation?
Allan
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The probable reasons for the delay as it involves significant changes to CDM 2007 and essentially the "Copy out of the "T&MCS" Directive, it has to pass though several govt "hoops", primarily whwther it meets govt policy on reducing the impact of regulation on business.
Not only that, but I am presuming that there will be intense lobbying by bodies (such as APS) representing the CDM Co-ordinators as the proposal is for the CDM Co-ordinator role in its current form to be dropped.
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