Hi all,

I'm looking to get my employer registered as a training centre to deliver internal courses. Obviously, I'm looking at delivering IOSH Managing Safely (5 days), but have been asked to consider CIEH. Does anyone know how they compare in terms of content? I've been told IOSH MS is NQL 2, (I thought it was level 3?) and the CIEH H+S for managers (5 days) is level 4?
Also looking at Supervisors training (3 days)?

Any advice or guidance from folks on the ground?

Frank,
thanks for your response. We do currently use a training provider to deliver IOSH Man Safely, and CIEH Level 3 for our supervisors. We have identified that we now have a requirement to deliver training to 1500 employees (out of a total 13500) so for cost reasons are now looking to bring it in house.
I've got the task of getting registered as a trainer, which I should be OK with, and selecting courses to run. I have spoken to both IOSH and CIEH and I acknowledge that both course are pretty much the same. What I can't understand is why they are different levels? Iosh ms level 3, cieh equivilant level 4?

Hi Holmezy - pity about the decision to take it in-house; I was considering offering to provide it for you!

As to the difference in "VQ value"; that's something for the evaluaters to work out.

Personally, and without any bias here - I would suggest that the lower IOSH evaluation is more defensible; especially when compared to the next level of NEBOSH Cert.

Frank Hallett

One other point I was going to mention is that - if you're going to do the whole thing "in house" - you'll probably need to register the company as an IOSH Training Centre with yourself as nominated trainer.

There is a cost element to this, and there are criteria which need to be met regarding how the Centre will maintain standards etc.

Hi Widodo

Unless you've omitted some info, you appear to have inherited a very poor decision here.

To provide an accredited course that enables you to issue IOSH Cert and all the trimmings, IOSH require that there is an "approved" centre registered and that there are named trainers. There are also additional requirements for specific minimum formal competence to oversee the course provision and also for the trainers.

May I suggest that you contact IOSH Services and ask for the paperwork to apply as an IOSH provider of the MS course and see whether that is a viable way to go.

Alternatively, just find a suitable provider who is already an IOSH MS provider and come to a contractual arrangement with them.

I would offer to do that but I'm in almost civilised Essex by the Dartford Xing and it's a bit of a long trek to where you appear to be. You probably wouldn't pay the travelling!

Good Luck Frank Hallett

Hi Holmezy,

As Farrall has already said, Managing Safely is not actually on the QCF scale whereas the 5-day CIEH qualification is at level 4. We've also looked at this and found that even though we could add the CIEH course to our existing offering for approx. £300, we've had to concede to market pressures and get licensed to deliver Managing Safely because that's what customers want. All for the princely sum of approx. £2000.

You've got to hand it to IOSH, they've done a heck of a marketing job!