I can't help you directly but this may be of some help;

CFO to COO "Think of the cost, what happens if we train every one and they then leave?"

COO to CFO "What happens if we Don't train anybody and they all stay, that will really cost"

Just a thought,

Jim

Regards the Sainsbury case, They were fine nearly half a million pounds

This is what IOSH CEO said about it in 1999:

'This was a unit which employed around 700 people and which was using 46 reach trucks at the time of the accident, but the person appointed possessed only a National Examination Board in Occupational Health and Safety (NEBOSH) Certificate - a qualification which provides an adequate base for people with only a part-time responsibility for health and safety.'
IOSH does not recognise the NEBOSH Certificate as sufficient qualification for people employed in a primary health and safety role

Diploma reduced insurance premiums on a previous site but a large amount - that amount was not reflected in a pay rise for me :)

But that alone justified cost!

Offer to meet them someway with the costs. E.g:

Make up part of the time as unpaid overtime;
Honour your own travel expenses;
Take the exam days as annual leave;
Sign a contract with a time penalty clause (1 / 2 / 3 years - 100% / 50% / 25% etc.).

If you're serious about it, exhibiting the above commitment may pursuade your employer that you're worth the investment.

I did - hey presto!
Good luck
Simon

If you're employed as an environmental engineer why do you want to do NEBOSH Diploma? Maybe an environmental MSc would be more appropriate.

If however you wish to add H&S responsibilities to your role then the competency issue is valid, as well as being able to do H&S "properly" thereby improving productivity, reliability, quality and ultimately profitability. There is of course then an implication that H&S is not being done properly, strengthening the case for additional competency!

If you have access to 'Tolleys Health & Safety at Work Handbook' there is a section on what 'Competence' looks like. This should help you to build a business case. Like a previous reply think about the NVQ route.

Zan,

Like other aspects we have to do in health & safety, make a business case for it, i.e cost versus benefit.You may be able to convince your employer if you also contribute to some of the cost, either time or money. If you have been working for this employer for some time, you should be able to judge the probable response.

Hi Zan and Alan,

I had to outline ROI to get my employer to put me onto the NEBOSH diploma course. These are some of the things I put across to them:

• Classroom course allows qualification to be achieved within 12 months – e/distance learning could take upwards of 2 years

• Classroom course ensures knowledge can be applied immediately as sections of course are covered more intensively – e/distance learning would take longer for knowledge application

• Contract with external consultant could be removed following qualification – 12 month period of learning can be coupled with shadowing of consultants for site inspections, etc, to gain experience – e/distance learning would require longer period of transition to gain “on the job” experience

• Qualification shows commitment of organisation to H&S – would provide internal resource through knowledgeable and qualified member of staff – also realises future cost savings through removal of consultant contracts, provision of in house training and development, etc

• Qualification allows instant progression to IOSH graduate status – ongoing and previous experience will allow for application for upgrade to chartered status after qualification through IPD scheme

• Tie in through training fees agreement – ensures realisation of ROI following qualification

Hope this helps.

Nic :)

Yes, I will have done once I finish it... only just started! I am doing the intensive classroom based course so we do a full week at a time across 10 months. Intensive is definitely an understatement!