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Linda G  
#1 Posted : 28 February 2014 15:22:21(UTC)
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Linda G

I am just about to deliver my first IOSH Managing Safely course to our internal managers. I have spent a lot of time getting to know the contents and running order, and it seems to me that the suggested delivery times would be hard to achieve without padding out the contents to a large degree. I would love to hear from others who have delivered the off the shelf course about their experiences and if you have had to provide a lot more additional content to fill their required 24 hours of delivery. I don't have a problem doing this, after all its a great opportunity to discuss our own policies and procedures etc, I just dont want to spend ages getting additonal material together when it is not necessary as I am under some considerable pressure juggling priorities at the moment. Any feedback would be appreciated! Many thanks Linda
PIKEMAN  
#2 Posted : 28 February 2014 15:50:27(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

Use group exercises and discussions, youtube safety videos, anything. For instance, in the fore section, get people mto talk about their fire experiences, talk about well know fire dusasters and so on - you can do this for anything. On the bit about safety policy, give them a handout of a good one off the internet and than a bad one you have made up - and so on.
Linda G  
#3 Posted : 28 February 2014 16:41:11(UTC)
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Linda G

Thanks Pikeman, I have plenty of ideas for fillers I'm jut trying to establish how much filler I need! Coluld you estimate how much time it takes to run a 3 hour module without fillers and then I could guess how much filler I need to have prepared.
David Thomas  
#4 Posted : 02 March 2014 18:08:15(UTC)
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David Thomas

Do people think that the 4 day Managing Safely Forum is appropriate for those managing ina n office environment.? How many think that managing Safely needs a 'freshening up'?
Ciaran Delaney  
#5 Posted : 02 March 2014 18:44:46(UTC)
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Ciaran Delaney

Managing Safely is appropriate for those managing in an office environment. Think that a refresh is due but if anyone has constructive ideas, I'm sure that the commercial team will take them on board.
firesafety101  
#6 Posted : 02 March 2014 20:00:05(UTC)
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firesafety101

If you are all in the same organisation why not use the course to improve the company policy and procedures and get everyone involved introducing the improvements? Get the Managers to discuss their work experiences within the company as that will no doubt interest managers from other disciplines? Give them plenty of homework and discuss their homework the following morning/session, that always gets them interested and passes some time if you get some good discussions going?
Linda G  
#7 Posted : 03 March 2014 14:13:18(UTC)
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Linda G

Thank you all - some useful tips for delivery but I am still not sure how much padding out time I have if I am delivering this over 4 days. Can anyone enlighten me please?
Stephen Jones  
#8 Posted : 03 March 2014 15:12:36(UTC)
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Stephen Jones

Hi Linda - although the times may seem generous at first glance they don't include discussion time which, given your people are inernal and presumably already familar with you and each other, you may well get a lot of. There are also mock exams at the end of some of the modules that also take up some time - and often start some lively discussiosns - which I would strongly recommend you do as it gets people into the form of questions they'll need to answer. I generally don't plan on any 'padding' as I don't find I need it. If you finishh one module early you may well find you over run on others. I let the trainees go wherever they wish with questions and discussion as I think it's an important part of learning. I'd run with the course material for your first run through and after the first or second day, if you're really getting ahead of schedule, you could then add in some of the additional material you have in mind
Linda G  
#9 Posted : 03 March 2014 15:25:41(UTC)
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Linda G

Thanks Stephen, that's brilliant - and means I don't need to put in a lot of extra (unnecessary) prep! I am planning on carrying out the mocks and also putting some time aside for CPD write ups every day, so with discussion points around what we do and some case studies I should be good to go. BR Linda
wstuarth  
#10 Posted : 03 March 2014 17:08:06(UTC)
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wstuarth

Linda I take time to show the H&S resources that are available on the intranet to help managers achieve their obligations. As Stephen says, you will be surprised where the time goes - in addition to the games, discussions, mock tests, intranet resources and an explanation of the project the time is pretty much up. I also add in some discussion about some of the hazards that are not really explored in module 5. For example some time on asbestos, maternity risk assessments and confined spaces - these may or may not be relevant to your organisation. I generally ask at the start of the course are there any topics of concern the attendees have, if it is not on the syllabus list then I try and make some reference to it in the relevant part of the course. Case studies and anecdotes are always useful to include, they stimulate discussion and therefore enjoyment. Managing Safely is being reviewed at the moment - I certainly took part in a survey about it - so an updated version can be expected some time soon. Hope this helps Stuart
PIKEMAN  
#11 Posted : 04 March 2014 08:36:31(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

This is all good advice. However, experienced trainers always have something up their sleeve - if things finish a bit early (eg people just won't talk or not enough people to get good debate going) - always have videos, exercises, quizzes etc ready. That's why all experienced have a top secret USB memory stick with goodies hidden on their person..........!
Linda G  
#12 Posted : 04 March 2014 08:56:49(UTC)
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Linda G

Thanks guys, all useful advice and much appreciated. BR Linda
rileym  
#13 Posted : 07 March 2014 15:04:54(UTC)
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rileym

Hi Linda I have just started delivering Managing Safely. The first time was in December and I carefully planned the programme over four days (8 delegates) with the modules covering the suggested delivery times adding up to 24 hours contact time. I was slightly under on most and went over time on 2. However even with doing the mock assessments I found we were finished with around 2 hours to spare. I did not really use any "fillers" just got the groups stories and experiences and shared some of my own as we went alomg. I wouldn't get too hung up on the 24 hours, this is the "suggested" delivery time. I know if I had a larger group of 16 - 20, I would probably use the 24 hours. Depends a lot on the group as well and how much they question and contribute. As a new trainer I'm happy to talk through anything if you need. Good luck
Invictus  
#14 Posted : 11 March 2014 13:51:14(UTC)
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Invictus

Linda, use what the company has as the fillers, policiy and procedues, risk assessments etc. Quite often you find that although they know about them they are not really aware of the content. At each module use something in the workplace, to discuss this way it improves your own workplace. I also use areas for hazard spotting exercises and then try and incorporate this into risk assessments or for a later module. The only thing i don't like about the course is it seems to jump around a bit, and then someone decided to add environment in. Other than this most people appear to enjoy it.
Linda G  
#15 Posted : 11 March 2014 17:21:11(UTC)
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Linda G

Thanks Guys Day two over and we seem to be going well with all delegates engaged and some useful issues coming up from within our organisation. We are ahead of time even with extra fillers and some pertinent debates and discussions as well as some moments going "off piste" entirely"! I agree it does jump around a bit however our depot managers know they are my "Guinea Pigs" and are being very forgiving! Thanks for all you ideas and comments - I now await the feedback from my delegates! BR Linda
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