do fire doors in the workshop by regulations require door closers to be fitted . Does it npot state in the regulations that all doors must be self closing . A colleague of mine states that this is not a requirement and only for hotels and premises where by people are sleeping in the premises is this a requirement can you settle an argument and verify if in fact this is true

I am with FS101 here, and reckon its likely that your colleague is talking nonsense With the exception of small cupboards, fire doors will require self closers. But don't forget that there are a range of devices that allow the door to remain open such as acoustic & magnetic door holders. There are also swing free devices that allow the door to be used as if it has a normal hinged door fitted, but the device will close the door during a fire. Obviously, automatic fire detection would be required for all those devices. Lastly, is this a fire door? Or, is a fire door required in the first place? I have seen scores - if not hundreds - of doors marked 'fire door' when there is no need for a fire door in the first place.

When you say in the workshops do you mean between the workshop and a store room or between workshop and office area. This may help the others above who are more familiar with these issues help you. Personally I would have thought a door between a workshop and office area would probably need a fire door. But I guess that would also depend on what you did in the workshop. Chris

Exactly I think you all make good points, my colleague is still adamant this is not true , because of this I have been trying to find some hard evidence to where it states this in the fire regulations for scotland . Do any of you know where I can find this information ? Just to clarify to you all the workshops in question are stand alone workshops where by there are no offices attached apart from one building Thanks again for all your advice Mike

Compartment ans sub compartment fire doors should have self closers fitted. Likewise and door exiting onto an escape route or where there is a sleeping risk. Offices within a compartment may be fitted with fire doors to prevent fire spread but will not require self closing mechanisms. Kevin

A fire door that will not self close is no use, fire doors are tested to strict specifications and that includes the closing devices.

When installing fore doors for the first time you will use the appropriate door furniture including self closers, hinges etc. Through fair wear and tear you may need to replace a door without replacing the furniture, hence you can purchase a fire door without its furniture.

Hi Mikeee There's guidance at http://www.scotland.gov....w/SectorSpecificGuidance (used to be at a much simpler url!), and if you look (for example) in the guidance for Factories, you'll find under Fire Doors (Ch 7 s152): "A closed door may restrict fire spread by holding back fire and smoke. A ‘fire door’ is a fire-resisting door which is rated by performance to fire when tested to an appropriate standard. Fire doors are an essential part of a fire compartment and for the protection of means of escape. A self-closing device is a normal feature of a fire door other than for some doors such as cupboards which are kept locked when not in use." Bear in mind that these documents are NO substitute for proper competent advice and I've copied that out of any context. I'm definitely one of those people who sees the benefit of employing a good Fire Risk Assessor, but the above info might be what you're looking for! Good luck. I actually quite like it when colleagues make me justify stuff, every now and then you discover something you thought was true isn't. I don't think this is one of those cases though.