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ehsa  
#1 Posted : 18 March 2014 08:26:01(UTC)
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ehsa

Hi there again, I have a query rather complex perhaps someone can help shed light. We have old pipelines in culverts that are filled with marine fuel oil and diesel respectively (THEY HAVE BOTH BEEN MIXED WITH WATER) they are located in culverts. As yet I don't know the flash point of these fuels. However my question is in the event of a leak could they form explosive atmospheres within the culverts. Noting that the temperature within the culverts can get between 30-40 degrees in the summer? I know there are many unknowns in my question but any help would be appreciated. Thanks and best regards
JJ Prendergast  
#2 Posted : 18 March 2014 08:32:32(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

Probably not - unless the marine oil / diesel can be sprayed to atomise the fuel. As a liquid drip / pool not a great issue. Heavy oils aren't too much of a problem due to their flash points & auto ignition temperatures being quite high. I used to work for an organisation that sprayed diesel into the exhaust of a jet engine - no ignition, just a white vapour cloud.
ehsa  
#3 Posted : 18 March 2014 09:52:50(UTC)
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ehsa

Hi there, thanks for the reply really appreciated, here is how I understand the issue more or less if anyone could confirm or correct my thinking would be appreciated. Marine fuel oil has a flash point of around 64 degrees C, if the line is not completely full you will get some vapors accumulated within the pipe. Even though the temperature is below 64 degrees because the pipe is closed you will still get vapors accumulated within the pipe, if this pipe where to leak would the accumulated gas within the pipeline be able to cause a explosive atmosphere within the culvert? Does this depend on the amount of mixing of vapors and air and if this vapor cloud reaches a conc within the explosive range?
JJ Prendergast  
#4 Posted : 18 March 2014 10:40:51(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

Don't see you have much of a problem. You somehow need to pressurise the oil to get it to atomise. The temperature you have isn't high enough. Typical properties of marine oil are Flash Point more than 60*C Boiling Point 150-600*C Auto ignition temp 220-300*C It is a combustible liquid, rather than a flammable liquid. As you are at ambient temperatures and pressures, no great problem.
JohnW  
#5 Posted : 18 March 2014 16:39:09(UTC)
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JohnW

Combustion inside the culverts is very unlikely due to low temperature, prescence of water and I expect there is a lack of oxygen in the culverts.
JJ Prendergast  
#6 Posted : 18 March 2014 17:09:37(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

On the contrary - the culverts are a bad feature. If we are talking about a culvert under a road etc then there is a lack of ventilation - which would increase the Zone rating - see IP15 3rd Ed. Without knowing more, oxygen levels are probably sufficient for an Ex atmosphere to form. The saving grace in this example, if the fact the materials/oils are quite heavy / not particularly volatile and prone to giving off mists/vapours being at ambient temperature and pressure.
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