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LATCHY  
#1 Posted : 19 March 2014 08:43:19(UTC)
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LATCHY

A man loading a machine onto trailer, once the nmachine is loaded the man steps down from the trailer backwards, as he steps down there is a marker peg in the ground which the man falls over backwards causing damage to his shoulder. the man then hands in a doctors note for two weeks. 1) Does the site in question report this as a RIDDOR reortable accident.? 2) Does the employer of the man also report this as a RIDDOR reportable accident? Advise please
HSE_Steve  
#2 Posted : 19 March 2014 09:05:34(UTC)
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HSE_Steve

Hi Latchy, the employer will always report in the first instance, the premises controller would only report if it was a certain level of injury to a member of the public etc Cheers Steve
PIKEMAN  
#3 Posted : 19 March 2014 09:30:22(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

You do not have to report "when he hands in a 2 week sick note" - only when he has been unable to do his normal duties for 7 days (including rest days). You then have 15 days to report it to HSE. There is no legal to responsibility to report other employer's RIDDORs - it ALWAYS the responsibility of the EMPLOYER or the SELF EMPLOYED to report, no one elses.
LATCHY  
#4 Posted : 19 March 2014 09:43:30(UTC)
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LATCHY

Pikeman wrote:
You do not have to report "when he hands in a 2 week sick note" - only when he has been unable to do his normal duties for 7 days (including rest days). You then have 15 days to report it to HSE. There is no legal to responsibility to report other employer's RIDDORs - it ALWAYS the responsibility of the EMPLOYER or the SELF EMPLOYED to report, no one elses.
But if he is away form work and his not doing is normal duties is that not reportable,
PIKEMAN  
#5 Posted : 19 March 2014 10:09:35(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

It is days they could have worked, it does not matter what they were supposed to do. For example, accident happens Wed (doesn't count) off Sick Thurs and Fri, weekend off, Then sick Mon, Tue, Wed, Thurs. Back to normal duty Fri - has missed 6 working days but was unable to do normal duties for more than 7 days. Reportable.
firesafety101  
#6 Posted : 19 March 2014 10:34:16(UTC)
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firesafety101

Employer reports 7 day injury, if person is away from normal work. Person responsible for the site will carry out investigation, and ASAP in case a claim drops through the letterbox?
wjp62  
#7 Posted : 20 March 2014 14:17:47(UTC)
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wjp62

Weekends also count towards the over 7 days. Therefore if the accident happened on Weds (not included) the first day would be Thurs this would then be reportable on the 8th day (the following Thurs). As top who reports the employer has the responsibility. See HSE info below: An employer or person in control of premises If you are an employer If you are an employer, you must report any work-related deaths, and certain work-related injuries, cases of disease, and near misses involving your employees wherever they are working. If you are in control of premises, If you are in control of premises, you must report any work-related deaths, certain injuries to members of the public and self-employed people on your premises, and dangerous occurrences (some near miss incidents) that occur on your premises.
Canopener  
#8 Posted : 20 March 2014 23:10:21(UTC)
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Canopener

Pikeman wrote:
You do not have to report "when he hands in a 2 week sick note" - only when he has been unable to do his normal duties for 7 days (including rest days). You then have 15 days to report it to HSE. There is no legal to responsibility to report other employer's RIDDORs - it ALWAYS the responsibility of the EMPLOYER or the SELF EMPLOYED to report, no one elses.
While it is an employers responsibility to report those reportable injuries to their employees, unless RIDDOR has changed, and very much off the top my head, it is the responsibility of the person in control of the premises to report 'on behalf' of the self employed.
LATCHY  
#9 Posted : 21 March 2014 11:09:07(UTC)
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LATCHY

Canopener wrote:
Pikeman wrote:
You do not have to report "when he hands in a 2 week sick note" - only when he has been unable to do his normal duties for 7 days (including rest days). You then have 15 days to report it to HSE. There is no legal to responsibility to report other employer's RIDDORs - it ALWAYS the responsibility of the EMPLOYER or the SELF EMPLOYED to report, no one elses.
While it is an employers responsibility to report those reportable injuries to their employees, unless RIDDOR has changed, and very much off the top my head, it is the responsibility of the person in control of the premises to report 'on behalf' of the self employed.
If the person involved, accident happens on Thursday person goes back in work on the Friday but then on the Monday hands in a sick note for two weeks is this still reportable under RIDDOR advsie please
Canopener  
#10 Posted : 21 March 2014 12:42:40(UTC)
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Canopener

As Pikeman has already observed, the sick note is not in itself the driver for making the report. If the injury is directly related to the sick note, then the injury becomes reportable once the IP has been off for OVER 7 days (not including the day of injury). As you have 15 days to report, I would hold fire until the reporting criteria has been met as it is not unheard of for people to return to work before the expiration of a sick note!
wjp62  
#11 Posted : 21 March 2014 13:13:41(UTC)
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wjp62

Canopener wrote: While it is an employers responsibility to report those reportable injuries to their employees, unless RIDDOR has changed, and very much off the top my head, it is the responsibility of the person in control of the premises to report 'on behalf' of the self employed. HSE info clearly states the following: If you are an employer, you must report any work-related deaths, and certain work-related injuries, cases of disease, and near misses involving your employees wherever they are working. If you are in control of premises, If you are in control of premises, you must report any work-related deaths, certain injuries to members of the public and self-employed people on your premises, and dangerous occurrences (some near miss incidents) that occur on your premises. It is unclear from LATCHY's question if the person is an employee or self employed. If employee then the duty is his employers, if self-employed then the duty is down to the person in control of the premises.
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