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Tony100  
#1 Posted : 24 March 2014 09:45:25(UTC)
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Tony100

Morning I am putting together a driver awareness training session for a business (shocked from the tracking report to see one individual (who will be brought in for a 'Chat') reaching 108mph). Will be doing other things along with this to promote safe driving but looking for some hard hitting video clips of motorway incidents I can use if anyone has anything. Thanks
flysafe  
#2 Posted : 24 March 2014 10:22:48(UTC)
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flysafe

PIKEMAN  
#3 Posted : 24 March 2014 10:40:20(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

IMHO................108 MPH whilst driving a company vehicle whilst on business, if this was the case, should merit disciplinary action. If caught by the Police, they would lose their licence. No organisation can condone this sort of driving, and, unless you have robust procedures and deal with this, you could face serious legal repercussions both Criminal and Civil, following an accident.
Farrall900153  
#4 Posted : 24 March 2014 11:02:59(UTC)
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Farrall900153

In no way do I condone somebody travelling at 108 mph but I would suggest it also raises other questions, and the first question is "why?" Is this a case of a "boy racer" who isn't fit to take charge of a shopping trolley, or it there an underlying problem with the way in which his (or her) schedules are drawn up? Does the company assume, for example, that using a motorway guarantees travelling at 70 mph and planning is done accordingly? Does the company ignore the possibility of delays due to roadworks, etc, yet invoke penalties of some kind if the driver is late for appointments? Two sides to every story .... :0)
JJ Prendergast  
#5 Posted : 24 March 2014 12:01:09(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

108mph - great fun!! Illegal - but unsafe? Maybe, maybe not. Depends upon traffic conditions/time of day etc. Motorways are staistically very safe roads. I would be more concerned speeding in an urban area - more traffic, pedestrians etc who could etc get injured. Crash at 70mph - likely to be fatal, as crashing at 108mph. Keeps some cops in a job, I supposes, catching speeding drivers.
Nimble057  
#6 Posted : 24 March 2014 12:59:08(UTC)
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Nimble057

Had an issue similar in a previous life; the Kent region had average speeds for engineers of 92 MPH. The SLAs were set ridiculously tight and there was huge pressure from above to meet the clients demands. Its one of those fun issues to hammer out with the Ops boys
johnmurray  
#7 Posted : 24 March 2014 13:05:16(UTC)
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johnmurray

Interesting. Given that driving at a speed in excess of the posted limit is a criminal offence. So you are sure of the accuracy of the tracker system? In that case you are in receipt of knowledge of a criminal offence having been committed, and have evidence of that offence.
walker  
#8 Posted : 24 March 2014 13:57:03(UTC)
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walker

I'd say 108 was a bit fast - beyond mine or my cars' ability IMHO Having said that I was recently nicked by an unmarked cop car doing just shy of 90mph - I broke the law and go fined, but don't feel (under the circumstances) I was doing anything unsafe. I frequently see cars being driven within the 30 MPH speed limit in places where their speed is clearly dangerous.
pete48  
#9 Posted : 24 March 2014 14:51:24(UTC)
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pete48

ROSPA have a lot of useful info and free resource on driving for work. I am not so sure about the benefit of horror movies. I think everyone knows the potential outcomes but it is never going to happen to us, is it ;-) After all we all know just when it is safe to break the speed limit don't we!! I well remember being told, many years ago, that one of the most difficult things to talk to people about is their driving skill and behaviour behind the wheel. I have always found that to be true. Perhaps it will be sufficient in this case to simply re-iterate the policy or to introduce one if it doesn't exist? However, there are loads of videos on that search site if you want them. In the companies that I have worked for over the years they have always had policies that included phrases such as:- Never drive faster than conditions safely allow. Must obey posted speed limits at all times. Gross speeding while driving for work will be regarded as a serious disciplinary matter. Did it prevent? No of course not entirely but it provided a clear statement of policy and a general deterrent with retribution when relevant. I agree with the comment about the investigation looking at why the offence occurred and not just punishing the driver. Finally JohnMurrray raises an interesting question about knowledge and proof of an offence. Anyone have a view on what the legal position would be? p48
firesafety101  
#10 Posted : 24 March 2014 15:37:07(UTC)
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firesafety101

A few years ago I attended a speed awareness course as an option instead of points on my licence and a £60 fine, yes I had been caught speeding on camera. The course consisted of a slide show of observation exercises where we were invited to say what we could see and I was surprised at how much I missed, and what I saw differently to others. We also had a drive out with driving instructors who gave us lots of opinions about how badly we were driving and how we should be observing speed limits. Since then I drive a lot slower than I used to and still get there, my wife has observed this and thinks I drive too slow but it is according to the speed limits. One option I use nowadays is to avoid motorways whenever I can. I set my sat nav to avoid them and look at the route before I leave, some of the smaller roads are very quiet and the distance is shorter however time may be longer but if/when stuck in traffic you can always take a diversion, unlike on motorways. The scenery is much nicer as well.
johnmurray  
#11 Posted : 24 March 2014 16:08:10(UTC)
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johnmurray

"The results show that car drivers with more than 80 per cent of their annual mileage on work-related journeys had about 50 per cent more injury accidents than other car drivers who were otherwise similar in terms of age, sex and mileage. Drivers whose work-related journeys accounted for 80 per cent or less of their total mileage had, on average, about 13 per cent more accidents than otherwise similar drivers doing no work related mileage" http://orsa.org.uk/guidance/pdfs/trl582.pdf "I frequently see cars being driven within the 30 MPH speed limit in places where their speed is clearly dangerous" That may be so. But the speed limit is not an optional extra. The days when speed limits were decided on the 85th percentile are long gone. In the "good ole days" killing someone when driving was only points and slap on the back of the hand. Sentences of 4 years or more are now handed down for that.
Palmer20061  
#12 Posted : 24 March 2014 16:13:56(UTC)
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Palmer20061

Not knowing how you're thinking of getting to all your drivers may not be able to use this sort of presentation, but I've heard nothing but praise for the attached link & I understand they travel outside of Staffordshire. http://www.staffordshirefire.gov.uk/751.asp
junnerk  
#13 Posted : 24 March 2014 20:11:52(UTC)
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junnerk

Hi Try TAC 20year anniversary. Hard hitting stuff from Australia
boblewis  
#14 Posted : 24 March 2014 23:29:04(UTC)
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boblewis

Personally I would go for defensive driver training rather than an in house awareness course. RAC especially do a good one but there are others. These courses include both classroom and an examined drive. Bob
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