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clifden  
#1 Posted : 22 March 2014 16:50:02(UTC)
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clifden

Hi All . Does anyone have any info on the requirments for pressure testing on bean to cup coffee machines . have a number of these with what looks like a built in 5 ltr boiler for producing steam /hot milk lattes espresso etc . is it evey 14 months ? any info kindly recieved paraic
ExDeeps  
#2 Posted : 23 March 2014 08:30:01(UTC)
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ExDeeps

The devices operate at atmospheric pressure and therefore do not fall under any pressure parts testing or written schemes of examination.
Ian A-H  
#3 Posted : 23 March 2014 09:58:48(UTC)
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Ian  A-H

Some machines do contain a pressure vessel, we use ones made by Miko. We have to get a Miko engineer out to take them to bits so the chap from the insurance company can carry out the thorough examination. Check with the manufacturer.
jay  
#4 Posted : 23 March 2014 12:05:57(UTC)
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jay

Irrespective whether or not it comes under PSSR, the machines require servicing, maintainance & inspection as recommended by the manufacturer. Sainsbury's finds coffee machine explosion fault:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/new...gland-hampshire-11320258
achrn  
#5 Posted : 23 March 2014 17:31:21(UTC)
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achrn

ExDeeps wrote:
The devices operate at atmospheric pressure and therefore do not fall under any pressure parts testing or written schemes of examination.
You've normally got about 8 to 10 bar at the brewhead in an espresso machine (the preferred pressure is a matter of near-religious debate among some people). The pumps are typically capable of delivering 15bar at zero flow.
pete48  
#6 Posted : 23 March 2014 18:22:00(UTC)
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pete48

Following extract from HSE FAQ on PSR. "Commercial coffee boilers incorporating a pressure vessel (e.g. cappucino makers) generate steam and therefore come under the requirements of PSSR. Regulation 8 requires the drafting and completion of a written scheme of examination (WSE), and regulation 9 requires that this examination be carried out by a competent person. Please see other FAQs for further details of the WSE, the examination in accordance with the written scheme, and the role and attributes of the competent person." This link to an insurance company information note gives some useful info http://insider.zurich.co...ne-Boilers-factsheet.pdf Safed also have an info sheet PSG08 Guidelines for the examination of electrically heated café boilers. http://safed.co.uk/techn...ides/pressure-equipment/ and then search or scroll down to PSG08 Both refer to a 12/14 month maximum periodicity unless risk assessment shows otherwise. p48
paul.skyrme  
#7 Posted : 23 March 2014 18:57:33(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

So before you allow employees to have meetings in coffee shops now, do you need to see the proof of testing etc. for the coffee making machines, in case they explode and hurt or kill them whilst they are in there?
ExDeeps  
#8 Posted : 24 March 2014 10:13:23(UTC)
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ExDeeps

achrn wrote:
You've normally got about 8 to 10 bar at the brewhead in an espresso machine (the preferred pressure is a matter of near-religious debate among some people). The pumps are typically capable of delivering 15bar at zero flow.
Ah, now I didn't realise that - every day is a learning day... Jim
clifden  
#9 Posted : 24 March 2014 18:33:14(UTC)
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clifden

every day is a school day . and a lesson learned this way is a lot less traumatic . thanks to all for their replies regards p
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