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Smith24592  
#1 Posted : 31 March 2014 21:07:17(UTC)
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Smith24592

I am looking for some feedback regarding safety interlocks on a CNC lathe. I visit a client on a regular basis and keep reminding them of the need for them to be fully functional, although despite my constant reminders they choose to bypass the interlocks thus clearly breaching the Act, PUWER and putting workers at risk. The reason for by passing the interlocks is primarily for setting up and establishing a datum point. The machines are HURCO VM3s and are only a year or so old. The operators claim that by passing the interlocks is the only way to view the DTI or locating device properly and with any precision. The machine allegedly has no "set up" mode or software installed like other machinery in use at the factory. Such modes enable the operator to set the machine under safe conditions. I understand why they have disengaged the interlocks but cannot support their decision to do so. I fully understand the hierarchy of control measures according to PUWER although when presented with such a dilemma i cannot understand why the manufacturer HURCO has overlooked what is an essential task when setting a machine. The machine is only operated by trained, competent and authorized employees. I have spoken to many of them and they have said that reinstating the interlocks will make the task of setting up difficult if not near impossible. I have recommended the company get in touch with HURCO but in the meantime i am searching to see if anyone else has experienced this issue and what they have done to manage the activity ensuring the safety of all involved. Thanks in anticipation of your comments allowing the
JohnW  
#2 Posted : 31 March 2014 22:12:37(UTC)
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JohnW

Smithy, I had exactly the same problem with a client a few years ago, and posted about it on here. Their insurance company had made an inspection of the factory which they found to be very untidy and there were no written risk assessments for machines, so they requested they get a safety consultant in. I wrote the risk assessments which included the observation that several CNCs had interlocks disabled. I discussed the issue at length with the factory owner who had two reasons: one was to do with set up (operators would approach the running 5000rpm machine with a steel ruler to 'check' something (!!!), and the other reason was they wanted to 'hear the machine'. I'm sure there was a 'set-up' process that they could do safely but the job took much longer maybe. Anyway, at first the insurance company did not bother to even read the written risk assessments but I drew their attention to the interlocks and they sent someone along for a meeting. The factory owner was persuaded to get the interlocks re-connected. I never actually saw the machines again as the factory soon closed when they lost their big aerospace contract. Anyway Smithy, I maybe had the advantage that the insurance company had some previous involvement with me, but you could suggest to your client that his insurance company may not be very happy if the PUWER regs are being ignored, and may not pay up when something happens. If it did your client would be prosecuted anyway. JohnW
John M  
#3 Posted : 31 March 2014 23:18:28(UTC)
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John M

Generally speaking no safety interlocks should be bypassed without authorisation from senior competent management (remember not all management is competent.) In addition a procedure should be in place to ensure that this activity is strictly controlled and carried out in a safe manner. By passing just for convenience sake is a non starter. If safety interlocks are to be over-ridden back up measures must be put in place to protect against the same potential event that the bypassed interlock(s) was/were designed to protect against. Hope this helps - if you require any mitigation procedure tips please feel free to e mail me via the pm facility. Jon
holmezy  
#4 Posted : 01 April 2014 15:04:13(UTC)
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holmezy

Hi, having spent many years operating CNC's and many years assessing them, I can sympathise with both sides of the argument, however, the law doesn't! They need to be interlocked OR the program needs to be altered to allow 50rpm for setting purposes when the doors are open. I've got round the problem in the past by altering the program to have a "pause" where the chuck stops, allows measurement or adjusting, then restarts via the "go" button. Having a chuck rotating at 3000rpm when the operator has full access to it is unacceptable. There will be a way round the problem, might just need some imaginative thinking and some ££'s? It will probably be cheaper than any the inevitable! http://www.iosh.co.uk/Ne...fined-for-dangerous.aspx This may help your cause!
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