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http://www.dailymail.co....er-fined-just-1-000.htmlThe price to pay for killing someone =£1000 I, for one, am sick to the back teeth with people spouting H&S when people walk away from killing people by incompetence and fraud. Where as people like IOSH, HSE and the rest... when all this kicked of? Were they helping sort the mess? Not a chance. Hiding behind the skirts of clap-trap (as ever)? Money involved? How's about we change names.. say from the electricity safety council to... electrical safety first? Good plan The chance of this post staying on here for more than a few moments... slim to none. Truth hurts!
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Spelling all to hell... I wonder why
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Indeed Zimmy. This is the reality. According to some, IOSH is in fine shape, FACT. When actually it appears that the authorities & other H&S bodies & Institutions have had very little impact at the 'coal face'. Something that the Mother, family and loved ones of Emma Shaw would agree with, FACT.
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I would love to know when the "H&S profession" as a whole will ensure by checking the competence of all people working on their sites who can undertake works with the potential of killing people, such as electricians are going to be individually vetted for their competence?
You lot do realise that if you employ an electrical contracting firm of ANY size, apart from a one man band sole trader, or one man Ltd Co. that is registered with one of the "scams" that the so called electricians you get on site to actually "do" the work may well not be electricians at all, and may well not actually be able to be proven competent in a court of law?
I bet this post disappears!
Whilst it IS strongly worded, and IS controversial in some peoples eyes, it is FACT, and, I can prove it.
I am NOT attacking any one person, but the electrical competent persons "approval" system that is in place at the moment is not IMHO suitable, and, there is a Parliamentary committee that could well agree with me.
Those of you that go through all of your PQQ's and all the other paperwork that you go through before you engage an electrical contractor, I bet that you do not check the qualifications and competence of the actual "body" who comes to site to do the work, where the REAL possibility of killing someone, or burning the place to the ground is really in the hands of do you?
You can check the company to the ends of the earth, and back, but, the current system allows them to employ unqualified and incompetent people under the "umbrella" of the company to actually come on site and DO the work.
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I agree with all the previous posts. Several years ago part 'P' was implemented with the best of intentions. However, I think in many ways this made the situation worse, as a man off the street only needs to attend a course for a few weeks to be deemed competent.
Until the elctrical industry adopts something like the gas industry (gas safe), I can't see anything changing.
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A tragic case for sure and I agree the penalty is pathetic. I don't know why the electrician was not charged with a more serious offence i.e.gross negligent manslaughter, where a more appropriate penalty could have been given.
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Excellent posting Paul Skyrme.
The so called "pqq competence schemes" are wholly defective and should be abolished.
I have asked for details of the number of "approved" outfits that had suffered fatalities over the past few years and was told that I was not entitled to receive the data.
Enough said.
Hopefully the revised CDM Regulations can deal them a fatal blow.
Jon
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Mick C
Gas Safe (Capita) is awash with cowboys too.
Jon
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There is something wrong here either with the way it was reported in the Daily Wail(which is a strong possibility) or the judge got it wrong. At Crown Court for a breach of the Act the fine that can be imposed is unlimited.
Gas fitters have been given custodial sentences for similar breaches
The defendants ability to pay is not an issue. He could also have been sent to prison. The prosecutor should be appealing this sentence.
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Please do not think for a second that the 'short courses' such as part P, 2392 etc a flawed. That is not quite right. I thought the same until I started teaching them. For the most part, the people that pass the exams are as good as, or in a lot of cases, better that so-called time-served electricians. If any one would like to sit them... give um a go!
The clown involved with ES need to be ... what is that word I'm looking for....
There is a little more info out there but I am not at liberty to say what it is on here, but I hope the truth will out and the press get wind of it
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Mick C wrote:I agree with all the previous posts. Several years ago part 'P' was implemented with the best of intentions. However, I think in many ways this made the situation worse, as a man off the street only needs to attend a course for a few weeks to be deemed competent.
Until the elctrical industry adopts something like the gas industry (gas safe), I can't see anything changing. The gas industry gas safe is no better than the one you mention. A so called gas fitter can be trained in a few weeks and "registered" within 25. Some so called pipefitters I come across are six week wonders - much maligned by the chaps that spent 4 years learning their trade. I spent 5 years doing my apprenticeship (cadetship) so of course I am biased towards perfection and quality. My previous post was pulled because I mentioned those boys that work with cows. Jon
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