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How many H&S regulations are there for changing a light bulb? (Friday Thread)
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I say at least 5 but using a ladder maybe 10!
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Give us your list so far and we will add to it.
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Not sure how many Regs, but it only takes 1 H&S professional:
You stand there with the bulb above your head and the world rotates around you - you wish!
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List them:
1. Health and Safety at Work Act 1974
2. Management of Health and Safety at Work regs
3. Working at Height ( ladder is a red herring unless the light is low down)
4. Manual Handling
5. PUWER
6. COSHH ( if it is a modern light fitting containing mercury)
7. Optical Radiation regs
8. LOLER(?)
9. Confined Space
10. PPE regs( hard hat or no hard hat?)
11. Noise regs( power tools?)
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13. Electricity at Work Regulations 1989
14. Dangerous Substances and Explosive Atmospheres Regulations 2002 (?)
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if it's at work:
15. RIDDOR for when the accident happens
16. Workplace Regs to ensure that an appropriate replacement is made.
17. Employers’ Liability(Compulsory Insurance) Act 1969
18. All the environmental stuff
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19. Fire safety legislation, RRFSO, to ensure that you don't obstruct the means of escape while you are doing the job.
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The Health and Safety (Consultation with Employees) Regulations 1996
should really let people know you intend on changing that lightbulb
Corporate Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Act 2007
for when things go REALLY wrong!
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The answer is - NONE. End of thread.
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Forgive me I left out some important information, the Bulb in question is located on a unmanned lighthouse in the North Sea! Doh
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Consider yourself forgiven. Are you by any chance thinking of Bell Rock (off Arbroath & St Andrews) or Muckle Flugga at the northernmost tip of the Shetland Islands? Anyhow, if the lens assembly of whichever lighthouse is involved happens to rotate on a circular trough of mercury, COSHH might need to be considered as regards the effectiveness or otherwise of the measure to prevent mercury evaporating from the trough and lurking as a vapour inside the lamp room if it's not reasonably well ventilated. Also, if birds are attracted to the light and are killed through colliding with the windows around the lamp room, there could be an accumulation of rotting corpses on the walkway outside the windows. (Ugh!)
Also, on a note of pedantry or precision, your thread title asked about OS&H regulations rather than legislation: Therefore, any allusion to the Health and Safety at Work, Etc. Act 1974 should be discounted as an answer because, er, it's an Act rather than regulations. :-)
p.s. I couldn't resist an opportunity to mention Muckle Flugga again on this forum. One of my aspirations, for what they're worth, is to visit the light there or at least go by boat around the imposing rocky islet on which it stands.
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Graham Bullough wrote:score
p.s. I couldn't resist an opportunity to mention Muckle Flugga again on this forum. One of my aspirations, for what they're worth, is to visit the light there or at least go by boat around the imposing rocky islet on which it stands.
Mind the midges!
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Shouldn't there also be some sort of support group, so that you can sit down after the job is finished and talk about how it was for you?
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First you study group to decide whether you need to change the light bulb then a planning meeting to decide who does what applying SMART principles. They you have to create a business case to make sure that it it financially justified. They you do it. Then you need a wash up meeting
then you an audit to make sure it was done correctly and a snagging meeting to identify any snags. then a final meeting to decide what went wrong what went right and who to blame for all of the delays!
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You are all wrong! If this was a NEBOSH question, you would get 0/8. Tut tut. There ARE NO REGULATIONS "about changing light bulbs".................READ THE QUESTION! All the other regs are about other things eg COSHH, Electricty at work etc.................... A great conundrum to ask one of those clever safety so and sos we meet at branch meetings!
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Pikeman wrote:You are all wrong! If this was a NEBOSH question, you would get 0/8. Tut tut. There ARE NO REGULATIONS "about changing light bulbs".................READ THE QUESTION! All the other regs are about other things eg COSHH, Electricty at work etc.................... A great conundrum to ask one of those clever safety so and sos we meet at branch meetings!
Pikeman, at the risk of getting shot down in flames I think you are being pedantic. If the question was phrased differently eg how many regulations may be enforced for the task of changing a light bulb? Then it would be all of the above.
A good Friday question BTW.
Ray
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Ok then, the original question does not specify regulations regarding the safe installation of the light bulb, so could be taken as the need for a light bulb to be changed. That being so, it is not unreasonable to assume that light fittings are only installed where they are needed (especially emergency lighting). So if one or more was out you would be failing under “The Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992 reg 8, where
8 (1) Every workplace shall have suitable and sufficient lighting.
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8 (3) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraph (1), suitable and sufficient emergency lighting shall be provided in any room in circumstances in which persons at work are specially exposed to danger in the event of failure of artificial lighting.
So if one or more is not working then you potentially fall foul of this regulation. Therefore the answer is also not “None”
Don’t you just love Fridays
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All this goes to show that any risk assessment must be related to the environment and person as well as the task. Doing this then most legislation ceases to be relevant.
On a pedantic note the OP talked of applicable regulations so why have some Acts been listed??:-) Not that they do not apply but it goes to show that we need to be careful with terms we use>
Bob
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A bulb goes in the ground a lamp goes into a light fitting
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tony. wrote:A bulb goes in the ground a lamp goes into a light fitting
The ones i bought from B&Q say otherwise....and are an absolute waste of time once planted.
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[The ones i bought from B&Q say otherwise....and are an absolute waste of time once planted.
Are you sure you were not supposed to put them in the lamp holders?
Jon
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From a psychological perspective we should ask if the lightbulb wants to change or is it just bowing to pressure to conform to social norms?
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score - You added at #12 that the bulb is in a lighthouse in the North Sea but didn't indicate whether the lighthouse is a British one or not. If it's outwith the UK, then answering your thread title question might be difficult for most of us. Furthermore, if the lighthouse is covered by another country's OS&H legislation, most of us probably won't care unless we happen to have some involvement with whoever goes to change its bulb! :-)
colinreeves - surely midges are unlikely to be a problem because there's almost always some breeze at the locations occupied by lighthouses. At one very remote Scottish lighthouse I inspected for HSE in the late 1970s I discussed maintenance arrangements with the keepers, including how and when they repainted the metal sides and dome of the lamp room located on top of a 55m/180ft high granite tower. They explained that they used harnesses and clipped onto a series of fixed metal eyelets located on the metal structure when repainting it on an annual basis. As for timing, they said they kept such a task for one of the very few days, usually during the summer months, when there was no breeze whatsoever. It's worth adding that the standards of maintenance and OS&H at the lighthouse and others operated by the Northern Lighthouse Board seemed to be exemplary at that time.
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I know its not Friday any more... but I would suggest there are a lot of people who would fail the exam for not reading the question... We are asked how many regulations - not how many SETS of Regulations... Within each of the sets of Regulations identified successfully by those responding there will be four or five Regulations in each set which could be applicable... SO the right answer will be upwards of forty... But I'm guessing here. I'm not going to try and count them 'cos this is just getting silly now!
Good Friday thread. And good humoured responses.
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Graham Bullough wrote:
colinreeves - surely midges are unlikely to be a problem because there's almost always some breeze at the locations occupied by lighthouses.
Try living in Shetland!!! They are very resourceful midges up here ;-)
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colinreeves - Thanks for the advice. I'd better desist from visiting Shetland during the midge season if it has cunning midges which are resilient to breezes! :-(
On a serious note, please can anyone explain why some forum users think humorous threads should only be posted or responded to on Fridays? There's nothing to this effect in the forum rules. If someone thinks of a fun topic for a thread, they can surely start it at any time on any day of the week. Also, to avoid misinterpretation, it might be worthwhile concluding the titles of such threads with the word humour in brackets so as to indicate that they're intended for amusement.
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there are less H&S laws than there are environmental and tax laws
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steve e ashton wrote:I know its not Friday any more... but I would suggest there are a lot of people who would fail the exam for not reading the question... We are asked how many regulations - not how many SETS of Regulations... Within each of the sets of Regulations identified successfully by those responding there will be four or five Regulations in each set which could be applicable... SO the right answer will be upwards of forty... But I'm guessing here. I'm not going to try and count them 'cos this is just getting silly now!
Good Friday thread. And good humoured responses.
I thought Good Friday was the day after tomorrow ?
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Graham Bullough wrote:colinreeves - Thanks for the advice. I'd better desist from visiting Shetland during the midge season if it has cunning midges which are resilient to breezes! :-(
On a serious note, please can anyone explain why some forum users think humorous threads should only be posted or responded to on Fridays? There's nothing to this effect in the forum rules. If someone thinks of a fun topic for a thread, they can surely start it at any time on any day of the week. Also, to avoid misinterpretation, it might be worthwhile concluding the titles of such threads with the word humour in brackets so as to indicate that they're intended for amusement.
Some threads make me laugh anyway - others make me cry !
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