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firesafety101  
#1 Posted : 23 April 2014 11:08:15(UTC)
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firesafety101

Same old same old I'm afraid, I've been asked to provide some training for site operatives who work in the shop fitting area.

They have all received loads of training, attending relevant courses for their trades, but just don't seem to realise H&S is real and is for their benefit.

They continue to get caught out by site safety inspectors, e.g. not wearing PPE and have a blasé attitude to safety on site.

walker  
#2 Posted : 23 April 2014 11:40:55(UTC)
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walker

My guess is they are taking their cue from further up.
The site manager /supervisor is responsible - give him a written warning (or demotion) and watch everyone fall into line as they will see you mean what you say.

By you I mean the company.
Safety Smurf  
#3 Posted : 23 April 2014 11:42:02(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

If I think I'm going to have to do some work to get them on side first I usually debunk some myths and give them some examples of excessive safety management. It can help if they think you're a realist and not just some clipboard weilding stereotype.
firesafety101  
#4 Posted : 23 April 2014 11:56:38(UTC)
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firesafety101

The way to works on site is the site foreman is sometimes the only one employed by the PC, the rest are sub contractors.

It is the foreman that is the problem and I know if he led the way the others will follow.

firesafety101  
#5 Posted : 23 April 2014 11:58:48(UTC)
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firesafety101

Management are partly to blame as they occasionally ask me to carry out site safety inspections, I get them to a decent standard then the inspections stop. I will be visiting site in the near future and it will raise the standard again but they will stop and around it goes again and again and again..............
Seabee81  
#6 Posted : 23 April 2014 12:34:41(UTC)
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Seabee81

Get the site management / site foreman to participate in the safety inspections with a view to them eventually carrying them out and closing out any actions themselves. They need to get into the mind set that safety is everyones responsibility rather than just the H&S guy
Me  
#7 Posted : 23 April 2014 12:46:41(UTC)
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Me

Perhaps your managers don't realise their own h&s responsibilities, and possibly neither does the site workforce. It sounds as though they think the responsibility lies with you, so some 'education' might help them.
ctd167  
#8 Posted : 23 April 2014 13:57:55(UTC)
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ctd167

Its all about an individuals attitude, or where H&S is concerned.................lack of it.
Most of the time in this job you wonder why you bother I think.

I introduced a manual handling safe system of work at my present company with regards to large & bulky items, within an hour of communicating this to a small group of 5 operatives, 1 of them hurt his back by undertaking the task in the opposite way he had been instructed to 1 hour previously.

Personally, I felt he should have been disciplined but the company thought otherwise.
The guy was off work for 11 days (RIDDOR reportable) and has since made a claim against the company, go figure eh :-(
Graham  
#9 Posted : 23 April 2014 14:31:14(UTC)
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Graham

I know this will probably not work with subbies or the self employed, and the bosses won't like it. But a thought I've often had (though thankfully never the need to implement) is to try and get people to understand why they're taking risks.

It seems to me that in some cases the only benefit is to the employer, who oftentimes is not the best loved.

So why take risks with your health for the sake of getting a job done quicker for the benefit of the boss you don't like?
David Bannister  
#10 Posted : 23 April 2014 14:37:23(UTC)
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David Bannister

Sounds like a client who wants to tick some boxes every now and then.

As a consultant you need to decide whether to go along with this way of doing things or walk away.
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