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boro  
#1 Posted : 30 April 2014 11:18:26(UTC)
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boro

Hi All, i am drafting a new accident/incident form and was wondering if i have to have the accident book as well? The new form will have everything that the BL510 does and more. I just dont want the First aider to have to fill out the BL510 and then part of the accident form which amounts to double the work. Regards
Evans38004  
#2 Posted : 30 April 2014 11:23:31(UTC)
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Evans38004

Quick answer is no - just ensure that the new accident form does not fall foul of the confidentiality laws. We did this a few years ago & got HSE approval for the new form - but you may not get that support from them these days
boro  
#3 Posted : 30 April 2014 11:25:18(UTC)
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boro

Many thanks for the swift reply
Steve e ashton  
#4 Posted : 30 April 2014 14:03:46(UTC)
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Steve e ashton

I don't disagree with Evans' quick answer, but - on a 'point of order' - HSE could not approve or otherwise the record format - since the requirement for the BI 510 comes from the claim and payments regs and would be enforced (if ever) by the DHSS not by HSE... (I have never heard of any prosecutions for failing to get approval for a different format of recording...)
bob youel  
#5 Posted : 01 May 2014 07:12:06(UTC)
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bob youel

steve is correct We went to the department of works and pensions (do they still exist?) for permission to have one form that incorporated both the BI510 requirements and additional requirements that a good company would require NB: As a point of interest the general requirement for an employer to investigate accidents comes from SS law and not H&S law
Pinnington20914  
#6 Posted : 30 May 2014 12:18:32(UTC)
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Pinnington20914

Concur with the previous contributors. Accident books are not a H&S requirement.They're derived from the Social Security Act of 1972 or 73. Under the Management Regs of 1999 employers must have the means of recording and investigating incidents, accidents and near-misses. Custom and practice has lead to accident books being used even though they dont have the ability to record investigations in the same place. We've invested heavily in a web-based reporting system but if you're not able to make such an investment a simple form is sufficient as long as it details clearly what happened (Fact not opinion), who was involved, where it happpened, when it happpened. Something I added to our origional report form was 'What suggestions could you offer that may avoid it happening again'. It gave us a couple of wild suggestions, which isn't a surprise, but we did get some really good suggestions from the workforce so it becomes not only a reporting tool it develops into a means of consultation.
teh_boy  
#7 Posted : 30 May 2014 14:46:13(UTC)
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teh_boy

I'd stick with answer number two! I looked into this for my diploma delegates and it's almost impossible to find information on further than... http://www.legislation.g...dfs/uksi_19790628_en.pdf - Regulation 24, 25. And Schedule 4 which requires the following should be recorded - Full name, address and occupation of injured person - Date and time of accident - Place where accident happened - Cause and nature of injury - Name, address and occupation of person giving notice - if other than IP When I asked I was told that permission is no longer required if the following is recorded in line with the data protection act, but no one really knew where the old requirements of permission came from.. Like the above posters, I too have used a system approved by the Department for Work and Pensions... but this appears to be a thing of the past. Unless anyone knows better?
johnmurray  
#8 Posted : 30 May 2014 16:18:21(UTC)
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johnmurray

boro  
#9 Posted : 02 June 2014 09:34:52(UTC)
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boro

Thanks for all the responses, i have included everything that has been suggested. Regards
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