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SBH  
#1 Posted : 01 May 2014 19:54:52(UTC)
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SBH

Other than phoning IOSH is there a way to check if an individual is a member of IOSH.


SBH
stevie40  
#2 Posted : 01 May 2014 21:19:56(UTC)
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stevie40

Ask for sight of their membership card?
Evans38004  
#3 Posted : 02 May 2014 07:47:39(UTC)
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Evans38004

SBH - not sure whether IOSH can disclose whether a person is / is not a member.

I worked briefly for a company 4 to 5 years ago & their previous H&S professional had claimed that he had passed his NEBOSH certificate and had become a member of IOSH (hence demonstrating his competency to the company which helped him retain his position & promotion). A new MD was not convinced with his claims and contacted IOSH / NEBOSH to verify matters and was told by them that they could not divulge personal details. The H&S bod constantly forgot to bring his card and they soon parted company.

Follow Stevie40's advice
leadbelly  
#4 Posted : 02 May 2014 08:29:25(UTC)
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leadbelly

There is a list of members available from this forum. Click on 'members' in the gray tab at the top of the page; or is that just a list of members of the forums?

LB
A Kurdziel  
#5 Posted : 02 May 2014 08:57:09(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Can't see why NEBOSH or IOSH would want to keep this information secret.
Surely they can publish a list of names and membership numbers and perhaps when you became a member and grade of membership. I can't imagine anyone objecting to that. Universities and colleges etc keep lists of past student qualifications, otherwise what is the point of the qualification?
imwaldra  
#6 Posted : 02 May 2014 09:32:02(UTC)
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imwaldra

Leadbelly - it's just members of this Forum, nothing to do with IOSH membership, as this is a public Porum.
chris42  
#7 Posted : 02 May 2014 09:45:20(UTC)
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chris42

Also just looked myself up and after selecting "c" I then had to page through 65 pages to get to me.

Mind you there seemed to be a lot of names that I thought were against the rules. Company names and email addresses.

You can only see it if logged onto the site

I think it would be useful feature if a prospective employer etc could ( without having to give their name, phone, email and inside leg measurement) look up a member and confirm name and general area ( there are 3 people with the same name as me in the small village I live, but doubt they are IOSH members)

Chris
JJ Prendergast  
#8 Posted : 02 May 2014 10:08:56(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

Being a member of IOSH is no guide to competence as a safety adviser etc, if that is the reason behind the initial query.

I dropped my IOSH membership about 5yrs ago, because it was adding little to my career.

No drop off in work as a result, never been so busy.

As ever, there is more to a safety career than being a member of IOSH / holding the NEBOSH Diploma etc.

IOSH have simply 'won' the sales & maketing battle as regards recognition as a 'qualification' provider.
A Kurdziel  
#9 Posted : 02 May 2014 10:26:22(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I have just read posting #8 and I am curious how this works- how do you apply for H&S work without qualifications. I am not arguing that qualifications are a must and agree that having a diploma or being CMIOSH is no guarantee of competence, but I suppose it gets over that first hurdle: “So why should we appoint you as our H&S adviser”. Saying: “ I need no book education: I learned all I need to know on the streets”, might not cut the mustard.
So how does it work?
David Bannister  
#10 Posted : 02 May 2014 10:48:10(UTC)
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David Bannister

I thought that IOSH would verify a member's status on request.

As an aside, I get quite irritated by the non-member users of this forum who proudly post about their non-member status.

I am very content for anyone to have access and to offer their advice, experience and expertise and request assistance but please remember that this is a facility that is provided by OUR professional institution, funded by OUR professional fees. WE choose to be members and make this facility available to YOU.
JJ Prendergast  
#11 Posted : 02 May 2014 11:15:46(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

In the oil & gas sector / process safety / safety engineering - technical and engineering qualifications are far more important than IOSH membership / having the NEBOSH Diploma.

Maths/science/engineering degrees / MSc etc

As previously stated, I passed the General Certificate / Pt 1 Diploma many years ago. But ultimately was a route to no where. IOSH was providing little in terms of career development.

However, these qualifications would not have got me into the oil/gas/nuclear/process industries - as the NEBOSH / IOSH route does not in itself provided the under pinning technical knowledge required.

So, I'm sorry if I 'irritate' some people by stating that being a member IOSH is not essential - but thats the way it is in the higher risk industries.

Don't get me wrong, some NEBOSH stuff has proved to be useful, but the general principles of risk assessment & safety management is relatively simple to pick up and understand.

To answer A Kurdziel - recruitment people are far more interested in a proven tack record, when working in these areas.

Again, I can only state that there are lots of people working in this sector who make safety decisions on a daily basis, who aren't IOSH members / Diploma holders etc - are they incompetent?

At the design stage of a project many fundamental safety decisions are made, which will require future management by occupational safety advisers - we try to remove hazards and risks at source, by developing inherently safer designs.

There are more ways to 'skin a cat', to have a career in safety - than the IOSH/NEBOSH malarkey.

Don't be so narrow minded about safety careers, if you are 'irritated' by non members contributing to the relative merits of IOSH/NEBOSH.
Grizzly  
#12 Posted : 02 May 2014 11:26:17(UTC)
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Grizzly

IOSH certainly state that they can verify membership:

"If you're recruiting for a health and safety role, asking for the right category of IOSH membership shows that you're serious about finding a professional. It also means that we can verify the health and safety qualifications and skills your applicants include on their CVs – for free."

Quoted from this page:
http://www.iosh.co.uk/Ab...ving-for-excellence.aspx
jay  
#13 Posted : 02 May 2014 11:39:41(UTC)
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jay

It is likely that in most of the high hazard industry sectors, especially those that have "permissioning" regimes ( Oil & gas-both upstearm & downstream/Chemicals/Nuclear etc) , the primary engineering/technical qualifications & membership of thee ngineering/technical bodies are the ones sought out by employers for "safety related roles", that is not necessarily the case for the rest.
Zyggy  
#14 Posted : 02 May 2014 11:41:43(UTC)
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Zyggy

I have contacted IOSH to verify membership status on several occasions, usually when involved with interview panels & can confirm that the staff have been very helpful & answered my requests.
jwk  
#15 Posted : 02 May 2014 16:45:46(UTC)
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jwk

Like Zyggy I have found that a quick call to memberships is all that is required. You can either give them a name or a number and they will confirm status.

JJ, you're correct in saying that in process safety/COMAH type industries an engineering background is more important than safety qualifications, but we don't all work in those industries. I work in a soft sector (but we still kill and maim people), and in this area the only guarantee I know of that an applicant has the right aptitude is qualifications in safety and membership of an appropriate body. Horses for courses.

I'd also point out that very many people think the general principles of risk assessment are simple to pick up, but I have very rarely seen good examples of RA in practice.

John
bob youel  
#16 Posted : 06 May 2014 07:53:16(UTC)
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bob youel

I have received a negative from our membership when I recently asked about a person who is claiming that they are a member of IOSH and that they are a competent H&S adviser NB: The person does not have any qualifications on their business card and some of the information that they are giving out is very poor indeed; so all things considered you get a mixed response when enquiring about membership levels etc. from our administrators especially where names are the same e.g. there may be 2 John smiths! I think that membership details should be public knowledge

And having a number of academic qualifications in a number of areas along with the appropriate experience is what makes a good all rounder in my opinion as just having a H&S qualification alone does not always make somebody competent
walker  
#17 Posted : 06 May 2014 07:59:34(UTC)
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walker

JJ Prendergast wrote:
In the oil & gas sector / process safety / safety engineering - technical and engineering qualifications are far more important than IOSH membership / having the NEBOSH Diploma.

Maths/science/engineering degrees / MSc etc

As previously stated, I passed the General Certificate / Pt 1 Diploma many years ago. But ultimately was a route to no where. IOSH was providing little in terms of career development.

However, these qualifications would not have got me into the oil/gas/nuclear/process industries - as the NEBOSH / IOSH route does not in itself provided the under pinning technical knowledge required.

So, I'm sorry if I 'irritate' some people by stating that being a member IOSH is not essential - but thats the way it is in the higher risk industries.

Don't get me wrong, some NEBOSH stuff has proved to be useful, but the general principles of risk assessment & safety management is relatively simple to pick up and understand.

To answer A Kurdziel - recruitment people are far more interested in a proven tack record, when working in these areas.

Again, I can only state that there are lots of people working in this sector who make safety decisions on a daily basis, who aren't IOSH members / Diploma holders etc - are they incompetent?

At the design stage of a project many fundamental safety decisions are made, which will require future management by occupational safety advisers - we try to remove hazards and risks at source, by developing inherently safer designs.

There are more ways to 'skin a cat', to have a career in safety - than the IOSH/NEBOSH malarkey.

Don't be so narrow minded about safety careers, if you are 'irritated' by non members contributing to the relative merits of IOSH/NEBOSH.


You assume we are stupid enough to recruit simply on the back of a IOSH membership.


walker  
#18 Posted : 06 May 2014 08:01:34(UTC)
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walker

Zyggy wrote:
I have contacted IOSH to verify membership status on several occasions, usually when involved with interview panels & can confirm that the staff have been very helpful & answered my requests.


Me too!
And have "caught out" several applicants.

very useful service from IOSH
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