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Hi,
How do you get round propping open internal fire doors for significant periods of time when you are having the door frames painted?
We are having some P and D done on site and I keep arriving in the mornings to find the painters have left multiple sets of fire doors wedged wide open. The site is occupied by 500 plus office staff so im not happy with this practise at all. Would it be a big deal just to close the doors even though the doors frames are wet?
Cant think of any other way to control this other than keep the doors shut. Or not to paint them! :)
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Cant you increase vigilance, more fire watches, running tours of the corridors, if its office there will likely be a low amount of fire / ignition sources. Consider painting the doors in batches so only one area / zone is left unsecured at a time. Notify to staff about doors and what to do if the alarm goes off, close the doors, brief fire wardens etc. food for thought.
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Purchase some temporary portable hold open devices.
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They only need to open the firedoors while they are painting the door frames and they should not be leaving them open. This should be explained to them in words of one syllable and if they don’t like it then they should be taken off the job and it given to someone who understands a that the client is paying them to do a job right not for their convenience.
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quote=A Kurdziel]They only need to open the firedoors while they are painting the door frames and they should not be leaving them open. This should be explained to them in words of one syllable and if they don’t like it then they should be taken off the job and it given to someone who understands a that the client is paying them to do a job right not for their convenience.
Remember and give them a crowbar to pry the door open once the paint has made the door stick to the frame, If I could have made my sentence sound snappy by only saying it in one syllable I would have, that's how to win hearts and minds you know.
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I'd go for Rocky's first e-mail. Be doubly vigilant and make sure the office employees are also doubly vigilant as well.
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Ensure if possible a water based quick drying paint is used.
A temp device may be useful, if there are many to do.
Ensure regular checks and end of day checks are carried out, easy for people who dont work under permit systems to finish at 5 pm and just go.
Employ a competent contractor who understands the risk
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'Employ a competent contractor who understands the risk' is a very good piece of advice. Contractors often turn up and think that all they need to do is the 'job' in the narrowest sense. 'Let's just get these doors painted, etc take our money and go.' Once, on our site, some turned up and took away a fire door and left a gaping hole between a a large open plan library and an office block without telling anyone that they done this! The building's fire systems were severely compromised over a weekend when there was nobody about. That's why I get annoyed with contractors.
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If you employ a joiner to remove a fire door he must be certified. It looks to me like your site failed to check the competency of the contractor? Not only the contractor failed but the person who employed him as well.
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FireSafety101 wrote:If you employ a joiner to remove a fire door he must be certified. It looks to me like your site failed to check the competency of the contractor? Not only the contractor failed but the person who employed him as well.
Although it is a legal requirement for manufacturers of fire doors to demonstrate the ability of their products to resist the passage and spread of fire.
Is it a legal requirement to have certified fitters ? I thought this was a desirable and advisable but not a legal requirement . what legislation is this then? the FFO does not specify it as far as I am aware.
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