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Frank1970  
#1 Posted : 19 May 2014 12:14:19(UTC)
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Frank1970

An employer no doubt has a duty of care in relation to the prevention of sun burn, or the prevention of it. The HSE INDG147 leaflet talks about the use of a high factor sunscreen, of at least factor SPF 15 on exposed skin, but should the employee be providing this themselves, or the employer?
paulw71  
#2 Posted : 19 May 2014 12:29:05(UTC)
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paulw71

If an employee is required to work out of doors in the sun and, if the employers risk control measure specifies that sunscreen should be worn then it should be supplied by the employer. Regards
Ian A-H  
#3 Posted : 19 May 2014 12:33:06(UTC)
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Ian  A-H

Employer, if the job requires the worker to be outside, ie gardener, refuse collector, farm labourer etc (same for decent waterproofs). The RA should identify sun-induced skin cancer as a significant risk. But if work outside is an occasional activity - teacher on a field trip, care worker taking a client out for a walk - I think it's reasonable for the worker to provide, because overall, it's not a significant risk. Ian
IanC9139  
#4 Posted : 19 May 2014 13:25:27(UTC)
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IanC9139

Ian A-H wrote:
Employer, if the job requires the worker to be outside, ie gardener, refuse collector, farm labourer etc (same for decent waterproofs). The RA should identify sun-induced skin cancer as a significant risk. But if work outside is an occasional activity - teacher on a field trip, care worker taking a client out for a walk - I think it's reasonable for the worker to provide, because overall, it's not a significant risk. Ian
I agree however, given varying skin types etc, a past business I was with supplied cream where it had been made available under prescription. A bit OTT maybe but we couldn't be liable for inflaming a skin complaint with an unsuitable product.
shauncampbell  
#5 Posted : 19 May 2014 13:35:29(UTC)
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shauncampbell

I would be careful with supplying sun cream as there are many factors (cream factors) and also lots of skin types ref. allergies etc. I promote the use of suncream, give advice, but we do not supply it due to the many types and variations of creams. Regards Shaun
Ian A-H  
#6 Posted : 19 May 2014 14:15:42(UTC)
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Ian  A-H

shauncampbell wrote:
I would be careful with supplying sun cream as there are many factors (cream factors) and also lots of skin types ref. allergies etc. I promote the use of suncream, give advice, but we do not supply it due to the many types and variations of creams. Regards Shaun
The vast majority of workers will have no problems with a sunscreen. If someone does react, provide them with another one. I wouldn't like to stand in front of a judge and say we didn't supply anything to all our staff in case a few came out in a rash. I would argue melanoma is a greater risk to a workforce than allergic reactions. You could use the allergy argument for soap, barrier cream, air freshener, washing up liquid... Nothing would get done! Do you promote the use of safety boots and make staff buy their own? No, same applies to sunscreen - if the RA identifies it as necessary the employer should supply it. If a particular product doesn't suit an individual, then they should be given another one.
chris.packham  
#7 Posted : 19 May 2014 18:09:38(UTC)
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chris.packham

In the first place most sun protection creams do not present greater hazards to the skin than most moisturising creams and other cosmetic products. However, performance does vary widely. Be aware that the protection factor only relates to UVB and not to UVA. UVA can also contribute to skin cancer and is the wavelength spectrum that causes premature skin ageing. For UVA there is a different star rating. Excellent advice can be obtained from the charity set up to help prevent skin cancer, SKCIN. (I have no involvement in the charity but have found them most helpful). In my view, having considered the evidence in considerable depth I would not recommend a product with less than a factor 25 for UVB and fiver star rating for UVA Chris
RayRapp  
#8 Posted : 19 May 2014 18:47:59(UTC)
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RayRapp

Good Lord, is this what health and safety has come to, discussing whether sun screen should be provided or not by the employer?
mssy  
#9 Posted : 19 May 2014 19:02:23(UTC)
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mssy

I am not disagreeing with what has been posted here as this is not my area of work and I am sure you guys are right, but I cannot help but think that it is a little OTT when an employer is liable to supply sun screen. How about sun glasses? a knotted handkerchief? a baseball cap? I am rather susceptible to hay fever from plane trees pollen. I only ever come into contact with dust from these trees when at work as the surrounding streets are full of them. So can I get anti histamines from my employer? Where does liability stop and common sense take over?
Steve e ashton  
#10 Posted : 19 May 2014 22:30:39(UTC)
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Steve e ashton

Mssy: since 1992 the PPE Regs have explicitly required employers to provide (when necessary) PPE to protect against 'weather'. Let the judges decide where liability stops. In Australia - it has already been decided. Here? Maybe not yet but can only be a matter of time. Melanoma is a killer, it's on the increase, and it's caused by exposure to the sun. Working outdoors exposes people to the sun... Steve
bob youel  
#11 Posted : 20 May 2014 07:20:24(UTC)
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bob youel

cover-up should be the number 1 priority and get managers to manage and enforce cover-up additionally plan work properly so as direct exposure to sun light is avoided e.g. look at early and late working as an example as much as possible. Its easy today re cover-up as there are many many PPE type products available out there to help the cover-up polcvy Why can hot countries manage the sun and we cannot???? I have worked all over in my time and never got sun burn and did a full days work yet its only back here that there are problems; typicial
stevedm  
#12 Posted : 21 May 2014 08:30:35(UTC)
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stevedm

At the risk of diverting the thread........I don't think it is as much managing the sun as those involved don't appreciate some of the risks involved maybe because we don't see it that often!! Funny how I get lots of demand for working in extreme environments - hot climates from countries such as SA, US and Kuwait but never get any from the UK when the same risks (in some activities) exist...lots of the sister course for Cold environments but only in the North tho'!!... :) There is just a lot more to managing working in hot environments than a bit of sun screen...
score  
#13 Posted : 22 May 2014 13:10:12(UTC)
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This issue is being taken seriously in Liverpool please find attached a link to further information and a tool kit for employers to use, Liverpool Public Health are aware that this information will be shared on this forum and are happy for employers and fellow H&S professionals to use them. http://www.healthatworkc...and-Skin-Cancer-n72.html
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