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decimomal  
#1 Posted : 19 May 2014 16:21:41(UTC)
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decimomal

I am looking for a Toolbox Talk on Asbestos and would be grateful if someone could point me in the right direction please. Many thanks,
frankc  
#2 Posted : 19 May 2014 17:04:31(UTC)
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frankc

What type of environment would the people be working in? Also, you may have it already covered but if they are in an area where they could potentially disturb Asbestos, they'll need Asbestos Awareness Training too.
walker  
#3 Posted : 19 May 2014 20:18:21(UTC)
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walker

There is some really good material on hse website
JohnW  
#4 Posted : 19 May 2014 23:03:23(UTC)
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JohnW

Decci, as frankc implied the content/depth of the 'Toolbox Talk' depends on where the staff are working. If they are working in a building/environment where they MIGHT encounter ACM's e.g. drilling holes, then Awareness Training is required, and that is more than just a toolbox talk, see the acop and reg 10. If they will be working WITH ACM's then specific training is required (much more than a toolbox talk) which I suspect you are not qualified/competent to do. John
Hally  
#5 Posted : 20 May 2014 08:16:19(UTC)
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Hally

walker wrote:
There is some really good material on hse website
We use a lot of the info on there, purely as toolbox talks for basic asbestos awareness, as our staff shouldn't come into contact with it unknowingly as part of their job (some of our sites have asbestos but these are on register/signed as they need to be).
decimomal  
#6 Posted : 20 May 2014 08:50:25(UTC)
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decimomal

The workers are fencing contractors sub contracted to a local Council. The Council is concerned that in the course of the work the contractors may encounter ACM's. I have asked whether they have has awareness training but am awaiting a reply.
Ron Hunter  
#7 Posted : 20 May 2014 11:35:48(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Hmmm........."some" LAs Building Services Divisions do unfortunately adopt standard PQQ approaches for all contractors. Of the top of my head here's little of relevance to a fencing contractor beyond knowing what asbestos cement sheet looks like and what to do if it's encountered or broken. The Council should have an established emergency procedure for ACMs encountered. CAR Reg 10 awareness training tends to focus on ACMs in buildings -irrelevant to your chaps. I'd be more interested in your arrangements for avoiding underground services to be honest.
decimomal  
#8 Posted : 20 May 2014 11:55:50(UTC)
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decimomal

Thanks for the replies, (Underground services dealt with).
John M  
#9 Posted : 20 May 2014 12:18:38(UTC)
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John M

If only..... The Council are quite correct in their approach to this situation. Asbestos and asbestos containing materials has for a very long time been conveniently dumped and buried indiscriminately. It may have been bagged or left loose. The Council has identified a hazard or potential hazard. This has to be applauded. If the hazard is present and disturbed to such an extent that persons including the fencing contractors are exposed a question may be asked regarding asbestos awareness training. Well done that Council I say. Little if anything to do with PQQ. Jon
Ron Hunter  
#10 Posted : 20 May 2014 13:01:28(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I'm reading between the lines, JohnM. The OP has been asked for evidence of Awareness Training. As you'll know the requisite content and delivery requirements are described in the CAR ACoP. The usual pitfalls apply though -in the eyes of the client, what constitutes acceptable 'awareness training'. The OP's suggested approach of a toolbox talk is I think the correct course - focussing on material encountered (i.e. illegally dumped, cement sheet debris).
boblewis  
#11 Posted : 20 May 2014 22:19:40(UTC)
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boblewis

As an archpedant and even though it is not Friday- Get rid of asbestos tool boxes and there is no need to talk about them. But seriously while the LA is to a degree correct about the issue they too have responsibilities if bringing operatives onto their land. It is a duty to ensure that adequate information is provided before work is tendered. If they believe tipping has been and is an issue than it is reasonable for them to do at least a management survey. They will however be loking for the CA standard for awareness training and no TBT is going to be acceptable. Your request actually points to the lack of the necessary competence to do such training. if you want the work then compliance is going to be necessary. I am not convinced however that the LA are right to approach this in the manner they are taking. I would be looking for them to manage their land effectively and bouncing the problem onto the contractor is not good practice in my view
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