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lisar  
#1 Posted : 28 May 2014 20:48:26(UTC)
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lisar

I have been asked why my company projects riddor to year endand the only answer I can come up with is because thats what theyve always done and Ive followed suit. Has anyone got any valid answers as the question has been raised that are we not encouraging them by projecting them.
A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 29 May 2014 09:42:09(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Sorry for being a bit thick; what do you mean by ‘projecting RIDDORS to the year’s end’?
lisar  
#3 Posted : 30 May 2014 08:49:48(UTC)
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lisar

A Kurdziel wrote:
Sorry for being a bit thick; what do you mean by ‘projecting RIDDORS to the year’s end’?
Extrapolating?
chris42  
#4 Posted : 30 May 2014 09:15:09(UTC)
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chris42

I have never projected forward where we may be with a RIDDOR KPI. I guess the only reason would be to see if you were on target to the goal you set yourself ( say half way through the year) in order to get an idea if any new control measures have worked. I used to use a 12 month rolling number for this to show trend, but that was more general accidents than RIDDOR. I doubt very much that projecting the outcome for the end of the year will make people say we are down on our numbers after 6 months, so we can afford to take more chances with peoples wellbeing. I can't see how anyone would think you are encouraging them by doing this, seems a little ridiculous. IMHO Chris
A Kurdziel  
#5 Posted : 30 May 2014 09:53:54(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Projecting forward any sort of accident stats is in my humble opinion a hostage to fortune. I cannot see how anyone can predict the number and sort of accidents that an organisation might have. If they could then they should be taking measures to prevent them not patting themselves on the back for having undershot. It seems a very strange thing to do… it smells of accountants getting involved where they shouldn’t. If they want targets in your KPIs then you should be looking at leading indicators, things like, number of toolbox talks delivered, H&S actions closed out that sort of thing… things which the organisation has control over.
David Bannister  
#6 Posted : 30 May 2014 09:59:17(UTC)
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David Bannister

The only reason I can see is for measuring failures against a pre-set target - and that will only have any value when large numbers are used. For SMEs who have nil or few reportable incidents I cannot see that there is any point. Insurance brokers may use projections when attempting to convince existing or potential new insurers of an improving standard of risk control but the more persuasive argument uses £££s.
walker  
#7 Posted : 30 May 2014 11:36:30(UTC)
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walker

The original reason for RIDDOR was a noble one. Unfortunately its been hijacked by people (who rarely understand real H&S) who can only deal with numbers.
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