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Hi everyone
Pretty basic question for which I need some assistance/ advice
I have a colleague who works in an accountants office. They hold a Fire Certificate which was awarded some years ago...5 I believe. The building is listed and is over 3 storeys in a high street. Regular risk assessments are conducted as and when required. They are written/ documented and communicated to the workforce... The question is does a Fire Certificate have a valid period of validity or do they need to update/ renew the certificate?
Any assistance greatly appreciated
Thanks guys
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If you mean a Fire Certificate issued under the Fire Precautions Act 1971 - it is no longer required/valid.
The legislation has been repealed.
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In October 2006, the 'Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005' came into effect in and replaced over 70 pieces of fire safety law. The changes made replaced the need for fire certificates, which have now been abolished and no longer have legal status
you however do need
fire risk assessment
fire log book, proof of maintenance, training etc to comply with the order
inless your fire certificate is your fire certificate of insurance and i would say you need one of those
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Hi
You call this document a Fire Certificate, but then go on to say its around 5 years old. As others have said, Fire Certificates disappeared more than 7.5 years ago, and most fire authorities stopped issuing new certificates a while before that. So if this document is less than 8 years old, its not likely to be a fire certificate.
Have a look at the legislation it refers to and if it states The Fire Precautions Act 1971, or the Fire Precautions (Workplace) Regulations 1997 - then its out of date.
In addition to what Psycho says below, an number of commercial organizations issue 'fire certificates' such as insurers, fire alarm companies and extinguisher maintenance firms. Don't mistake these documents as a statutory document.
Lastly - on a (somewhat pedantic) point of order: There is no specific legal requirement in the Fire Safety Order to keep a fire log book or maintenance/training records. However, the Resp Person may have to satisfy an enforcing authority that maintenance and training has been carried out, and it would be very difficult without such records.
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It was another cost cutting error by those in charge to dispense with the Fire Brigade Fire Certs.
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Thanks guys...great advice which will definitely help. I have not had sight of the said document but will advise my colleague accordingly
Cheers and thanks again!!!
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The Fire Precautions (Workplace) Regulations 1997 had no requirement for Fire Authorities to provide certificates, but introduced, for the first time an explicitly duty on Employers and those in charge of buildings etc to undertake fire risk assessments. Therefore we had a dual system under Fire Precautions Act 1971 that required Fire certificates to be issued and fire assessments etc under the Fire Precautions (Workplace) Regulations 1997 . The net result was that Fire Authorities stopped issuing Fire Certificates except for high risk premises. The RRFSO, in my view was the obvious outcome.
There is nothing wrong in having a regulatory system, whether it is for Health & Safety or for Fire Safety, that those who create risks are primarily responsible for controlling them--and for the high risk activities, there is a permissioning regime from the enforcement body. i.e. COMAH, Offshore, Pipelines, Railways, Nuclear etc, provided that the enforcement bodies are adequately resourced.
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