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Pinnington20914  
#1 Posted : 26 June 2014 14:55:10(UTC)
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Pinnington20914

I'm working on an IMS with our Quality and Security teams. We all agree it's a no-brainer since most of the systems are aliged, however when we started to spec out what we needed from our individual specialist areas I did get faced with an issue. How do we merge in our H&S policy of intent into an IMS without loosing the context? I know a comment made on this subject back in 2009 said that they found it difficult in tenders so just re-wrote a seperate H&S policy so question is whether an IMS including a H&S commitment is suitable and sufficient for our H&S obligations. I appreciate there isn't going to be a definative answer to this question but some experiences would be valuable.
Gerry Knowles  
#2 Posted : 26 June 2014 16:00:18(UTC)
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Gerry Knowles

We have recently finish an IMS which incorporates ISO 9001, ISO 14001 and OHSAS 18001. The model we adopted was based on PAS 99. Like you we we a little concerned around how all of the elements would interact, but we gritted our teeth and went forward with accreditation. Which we sailed through and have now been through the first round of surveillance visits, with only one minor non-conformity. I think the problem that people have with an IMS is that they don't always look like or have the words that we all feel comfortable with when we have a traditional system.
Pinnington20914  
#3 Posted : 26 June 2014 16:06:49(UTC)
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Pinnington20914

Thanks Gerry, I think you're right. Not having a clear H&S policy statement does feel a bit unusual but if we get the wording of an IMS intent statement right then it should meet the usual criteria expected by HSE or other regulators.
bob youel  
#4 Posted : 27 June 2014 08:35:27(UTC)
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bob youel

IMS's can be great but I find that HS&F gets watered down to suit other areas in many cases and can be left to one side as it's seen as having less kudos than other areas and compliance to the standard takes priority to compliance to law - I see many many IMS's that look good and comply with the various QA standards yet time and time again I can within moments find poor practice on the front line / in reality I advocate that for other areas an IMS system can be and is great but HS&Fire is above compliance to a QA standard so should be stand alone and be set above other areas NB: I have been involved with QA since the early 70's in many many areas so I feel that I have a sensible opinion to give Wellbeing: Wellbeing is another area that is tagging onto or covering/connecting with HS&F which is again watering down HS&F
chris42  
#5 Posted : 27 June 2014 09:20:47(UTC)
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chris42

In my previous company I set up an IMS for H&S, Env and QA. We kept three distinct policies (as three documents in the system), but working procedures were when appropriate integrated. Eg purchase policy, a tool had to be fit for purpose, required acceptable Environmental issues with regard its use or disposal, and SFARP safe to use. Similarly working practices included how to get the job done, safely and without harming the environment (more than we could help). This seemed to work for us ok. So no need to integrate the policies as such, if it will make life easier when tendering. Chris
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