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Evans38004  
#1 Posted : 19 June 2014 15:10:23(UTC)
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Evans38004

x4 miners killed at work in 2011 + failed prosecution of mine manager + employer

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-27923572

This was high publicity case, I'm sure brought before the courts by HSE etc after a high publicity tragic incident.
HSSnail  
#2 Posted : 20 June 2014 08:20:19(UTC)
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HSSnail

Very tragic case - its not clear from the article but if the mine owners were charged with manslaughter or corporate manslaughter it would be the police/crown prosecution service who would take the case not the HSE. Surprised no H&S offences were mentioned would expect them to run along side but is their another case to follow?
Evans38004  
#3 Posted : 20 June 2014 08:36:57(UTC)
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Evans38004

From the on-going news reports that I followed (in-part) over the last few months - the HSE were the prime enforcing authority / experts in the case, i.e. they guided the police / CPS.

My non-H&S friends that I spoke to last night were surprised that where 4 people were killed (at work) - there was no-one held accountable. Although a member of IOSH, I rarely quote the legal aspect of our work as the reason why we should do what we do - since managers with an ounce of common sense can work out the odds of personal prosecution and this case will reinforce that behaviour - financial benefits (+some moral) are the prime drivers in our line of business

I have sympathy with the families and the manager, who was also in the mine at the time of the explosion - many people were affected by the tragedy.
HSSnail  
#4 Posted : 20 June 2014 08:41:35(UTC)
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HSSnail

That was my point Evans HSE are witnesses not the people bringing the case - sometimes the H&S case can run along side. Do a search you will find examples where the manslaughter case has failed but people/companies have been found guilty of H&S section 2/3 etc.
RayRapp  
#5 Posted : 20 June 2014 09:28:56(UTC)
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RayRapp

This was a trial for common law gross negligence manslaughter against individuals of the mining company - not a health safety related prosecution. In theory an indictment could follow for corporate manslaughter (very unlikely) and/or other health and safety offences.

The HSE would normally conduct the investigation, the evidence would then be used in court by the CPS as part of the prosecution evidence.

In a Corporate Manslaughter case other health and safety charges can be included by the prosecution. Not so for gross negligence manslaughter.
Dean Elliot  
#6 Posted : 20 June 2014 10:59:17(UTC)
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Dean Elliot

It is unlikely that any further charges will be brought as the evidence is in the public domain and there would not be a fair trial. If charges were to be brought under HSW, they would have been included. It would be unfait to have a "second go".

It is common practice not to include H&S charges alongside manslaughter, especially individuals, although there are exceptions. The CPS feel that it can detract from the more serious charge. Some CPS barristers have suggested to me that it gives the jury an easy option to go for the lesser charge so they don't like using both.
Phil Grace  
#7 Posted : 30 June 2014 09:08:44(UTC)
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Phil Grace

Surely this was a "dual" prosecution?
Gross neg manslaughter against the mine manager and Corp Manslaughter against the company?
Phil
Dean Elliot  
#8 Posted : 02 July 2014 09:13:44(UTC)
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Dean Elliot

Yes - but not sure what point you are trying to make.

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