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paulw71  
#1 Posted : 02 July 2014 12:05:59(UTC)
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paulw71

https://www.gov.uk/gover...triennial-review-hse.pdf Makes for intersting reading. Especially the bit about the Governments plans for future commercialisation of the HSE.
Ron Hunter  
#2 Posted : 02 July 2014 12:16:45(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

It reads to me as a self-serving fait accompli, in the main a simple regurgitation of the Lofsted Report. I'm also puzzled as to why there's a foreword by the Minister for Disabled People.
paulw71  
#3 Posted : 02 July 2014 12:26:48(UTC)
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paulw71

Ron Hunter wrote:
It reads to me as a self-serving fait accompli, in the main a simple regurgitation of the Lofsted Report. I'm also puzzled as to why there's a foreword by the Minister for Disabled People.
The HSE is part of his Minsterial remit.
Ron Hunter  
#4 Posted : 02 July 2014 12:53:31(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I still had Chris Grayling in mind - I'm not great at keeping up with reshuffles.
walker  
#5 Posted : 02 July 2014 13:25:48(UTC)
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walker

paulw71 wrote:
The HSE is part of his Minsterial remit.
Its quite apt really, the way HSE are going there will be lots more disabled people around.
Steve e ashton  
#6 Posted : 02 July 2014 13:34:40(UTC)
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Steve e ashton

So HSE have amended their guidance on queries and disputes and dropped the word 'appeal'. Basically done away with the first stage of the process so all disputes now get kicked straight to what used to be the second stage panel that includes a token third party. Its still not the justice I was brought up to respect and uphold.. And the guidance on HSE site is very much less forthcoming about the possibility that HSE inspector might make mistakes. The guide lists things the panel may consider during a dispute - they do not include this possibility. I'm sure the earlier version did? I predicted back in January that HMG would hear the comments about commercialisation loud and clear but would evade or sidestep the criticism of FFI and the way it is perceived and operated. It doesn't make me any happier to see I was correct.
walker  
#7 Posted : 04 July 2014 11:16:39(UTC)
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walker

Ron Hunter wrote:
I'm also puzzled as to why there's a foreword by the Minister for Disabled People.
Me too, I thought the editor of the Daily Mail was in charge of change at HSE
Xavier123  
#8 Posted : 04 July 2014 12:43:20(UTC)
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Xavier123

I'd be interested in people's thoughts on the Government trumpeting the reduction in LA proactive h&s by 90% from 2010 to 2013. They aimed for a reduction of a third but I expect the cuts may have assisted greatly. I don't doubt that there were some arguably pointless inspections being done...but at the same time I can't believe it was any more than a small percentage of that total figure. As per Steve's comments, the HSE are apparently assumed incapable of making mistakes whereas the assumption is that LA's are likely to be doing h&s wrong and need keeping in line. Clearly I'm showing my LA origins (and undeniable bias) here but the knock-on effect of this huge reduction is reduced numbers of competent inspectors within LA's in the long term - this doesn't do anyone (regulator or regulated) any favours.
David.Smith1413  
#9 Posted : 04 July 2014 13:48:06(UTC)
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David.Smith1413

The proposal that the HSE investigates the provision of a fully chargeable inspection service for organisations with mature health and safety management systems who wish to engage the assistance of the regulator in maintaining and improving their health and safety performance would be a waste of time. What would happen if a material breach was discovered during that visit? There a vast numbers of consultants and companies that provide this service without the risk of being prosecuted if failings were discovered.
BJC  
#10 Posted : 06 July 2014 10:26:35(UTC)
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Imho its now about extracting money from those that cannot afford QC representation. Similarly Safety Cameras did little for RTAs according to research but quite a lot for Westminsters coffers.
Jake  
#11 Posted : 07 July 2014 09:39:28(UTC)
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Jake

Xavier123 wrote:
I don't doubt that there were some arguably pointless inspections being done...but at the same time I can't believe it was any more than a small percentage of that total figure.
You clearly have not worked in a LA :-) But credit where credit is due I would not say 90% were "pointless" when I was there, but a larger proportion than you would expect!!
Xavier123  
#12 Posted : 07 July 2014 09:56:34(UTC)
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Xavier123

I guess it comes down to the fact that there are 400+ LA's. There are small rural district affairs up to large unitary affairs. I'm not sure it would be fair to suggest that one is any more switched on than another. Although, I personally have only worked in urban unitary authorities and would hold with my original point - I wasn't personally doing any pointless h&s inspections. All work was risk based and targeted which is now 'codified' for but was always how a good LA should have operated. So I can't speak for the large majority of LA's where I haven't worked....but I still struggle to believe that a 90% reduction is in anyway a positive thing and remain concerned that the retirement of experienced officers and lack of replacement (plus lack of ongoing experience gaining from 90% reduction in inspections) is very bad for the long term. The next stage is a complaint that LA's have failed to effectively fund their statutory duties re: h&s when some major investigations start to fail or simply not to take place when the public would demand it... So this could, be default, start to drive a medium term LA move to FFI .... or maybe we'll see Martin Temple's plan of HSE and LA enforcement roles being merged.
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