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pdurkin  
#1 Posted : 09 July 2014 17:02:45(UTC)
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pdurkin

A friend is asking me to look at his chain-saw ground level logging activities in a field a distance away from residential properties.does anyone know if there is prescribed distances / noise levels for daytime noise levels to prevent neighbourhood noise complaints?
Safety Man 1  
#2 Posted : 09 July 2014 19:20:55(UTC)
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Safety Man 1

p durkin
I would be more worried about your friends activities, just to name a few maybe he has got them in place
HAVS Assessment
Noise
Manual handling
PPE
Emergency arrangements
Training certification
Slips, trips and falls
Security of working area
Maintenance of equipment
Lone working
Environmental arrangements
Notifying residents
bob youel  
#3 Posted : 10 July 2014 07:24:24(UTC)
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bob youel

There are environmental noise parameters to consider however I would address Safety Man 1' s comments first noting that its highly unlikely that the local EHO or the EA would get involved in such situations unless really pushed by residents. However it may be prudent to log the noise and evaluate its potential to have a neighbour complain noting that some people will complain about every little thing

NB: On one job recently people were formally complaining about an activity that had a 32 dBA level reading* in their gardens because of an activity that was taking place approx 80m from their homes[*the local EHO's took the readings!]
Animax01  
#4 Posted : 10 July 2014 09:18:41(UTC)
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Animax01

I would take decibel readings at various distances away from the activity in all directions (assuming the activity is safe) and log these. No pun intended; I would then compare these figures to a chart that can give you a comparison, in terms of similar noises.
At that point you can make a judgement on the noise levels and whether you thinks it is acceptable, its all very subjective.
We had a complaint recently from a resident half a mile away, turns out that the noise they can actually hear is a substation. We decided to investigate and provide enough information to prove that our noise levels where acceptable.
I hope that my ramblings have helped in some way, I'm not expert, not even close. This is what we did and it was acceptable.

Pete
James Robinson  
#5 Posted : 10 July 2014 09:29:03(UTC)
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James Robinson

10 dB above background is very crudely the point at which the local EHO will start to seriously consider action under nuisance law.
Safety issues first, then take background noise readings around the perimeter, and then live readings around the perimeter.
Your local EHO will help you out if you call them.
A Kurdziel  
#6 Posted : 10 July 2014 10:20:42(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

For a statutory nuisance there is no legal level it’s just a noise that disturbs peoples’ normal everyday lives. So a noise in a quite rural area might be a nuisance but a similar noise in the big city wouldn’t be.
For it to be considered by the EHO it would have to be a persistent noise (not continuous but not just alone off or occasional noise). As you can see this area is very subjective.
pdurkin  
#7 Posted : 10 July 2014 11:23:24(UTC)
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pdurkin

Thanks All,
Very helpful advice.
'When,I go down to the woods today,hope not to get a big surprise'
Seriously though yes PPE; lone working & first aid big considerations here, as this is a sole trader.
The planning legislation has changes from one that recommends levels i.e. PPG24 which gives levels for mixed sources of >55dB etc. to NPSE which is less clear.
Yes I need a EHO for some clarity.
Thanks all
Ron Hunter  
#8 Posted : 10 July 2014 12:32:28(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

A bit of upfron notification to neighbours, along with hours of work and expected duration, usually does the trick. Good Neighbour principles.
Steve Granger  
#9 Posted : 10 July 2014 13:05:06(UTC)
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Steve Granger

They are outside now as I type; saws, harvesters, tractors etc. Something about caveat emptor in a residential sense perhaps?

As a resident I ask how I can help, not hinder - in the hope of free fuel :<)

So; is it a yard process (logging trade -permanent industrial activity which may be unlawful use of property) or a forest operation which is transient?

Sounds like a really good question for the exams.....
BJC  
#10 Posted : 10 July 2014 14:52:07(UTC)
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Guest

Perhaps lopping off limbs should be the main consideration. EHO s investigating Noise complaints is similar to Police sending SOCOs to your house when there has been an attempted break in - very rare unless someone very important complains.
Canopener  
#11 Posted : 10 July 2014 15:19:03(UTC)
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Canopener

quote=pdurkin]A friend is asking me to look at his chain-saw ground level logging activities in a field a distance away from residential properties.does anyone know if there is prescribed distances / noise levels for daytime noise levels to prevent neighbourhood noise complaints?


Ron has suggested the correct approach. Timely communication with those who might be affected is generally the key to trying to avoid complaints (although some might complain whatever). Clearly there is a job to be done and there is in practice little that you can do to mitigate the actual noise levels, so the answer is to manage the risk by communication, the times of operation etc.

I wouldn't bother measuring the noise as I am not convinced that it will serve any purpose. In the unlikely event that an EHO does turn up I very much doubt that they will take any action unless the timing/duration of the work is unreasonable (in the middle of the night).

As A Kurdziael has observed, whether or not this might amount to a statutory nuisance is largely subjective based on a number of factors, including normal ambient noise levels, the time of the day, the duration of the work, the purpose of the work (is the noise unavoidable) etc etc. And I would suggest that by the time that an EHO even starts the process for statutory nuisance, your work is likely to have long been completed.

Forget measuring; inform, communicate and get on with the job. You may still get complaints but I would suggest that they are unlikely to result in enforcement action unless the timing, duration etc is unreasonable.
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