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I am questioning our project design department on the quality of the risk assessment they provide for the plant and equipment we are supplying and designing. We are appointed designers and in many cases the principle contractor. My concern is that much being supplied is generic and based around the basic build, not much about how the designers look at access, alarm system etc , maintenance and potential decommissioning. I would welcome so feed back , comments any examples of good practice assessments. So I can continue the debate with this department.
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Good practice may well be not to supply DRA - nothing in the CDM regs requires supply of a discrete Designer Risk Assessment document.
Good practice would be a record demonstrating how the designers have discharged their duty to eliminate hazards where reasonably practicable and reduce risks remaining, alongside a robust method of communicating the significant and unusual residual hazards to people further along the project. The latter is probably not a DRA.
What is a generic risk within your plant/equipment (ie, a risk that applies to every item you produce) may still be an unusual risk to a general contractor, so it's possible that a document generic to your product is relevant, but if it's generic generic material, I agree, it's not wanted or useful.
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I've questioned these risk assessments in the past as one of my designer clients asked me to do some for him. After a very long discussion where I pointed out the lack of requirement for these he persuaded me to get them done, after all money talks.
They do look good and I think that is what he wanted, the good looks as opposed to the relevance.
I have now done two sets for him, although I still believe they are not required at all.
I would also ask the question - "who reads them anyway?"
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Designer risk assessment? My sides are splitting here.
Ok, probably slightly unfair however, based on some of the installations that I've encountered in recent times many, many designers/installers give the square root of zero consideration to the H&S of those tasked with maintaining installed systems. Some installations are so perverse that I'd have to wonder if there was a competition to 'design' the least maintainable layout possible.
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My concern was that if we were to take the time to put together a risk assessment, we should ensure it has value, highlighting how they foresee controls. We design and install large industrial refrigeration systems, the access to high level valves and plant needs to be serviced how do they foresee this what type of access. On cold room roofs have they designed to allow person access to valve sets, why have they placed valve sets close to the edge. Is the assessment not part of the transfer of information the design team conducts to those who work and service the handed over project.
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The design team should certainly hand over the information on residual risks, but as I said before - good practice in this respect would be a robust method of communicating the significant and unusual residual hazards to people further along the project, and this is probably not a DRA.
If it's simply work at height, I don't think that's an unusual residual hazard. Your designers probably need a record demonstrating why they still have valves etc at height and close to an edge, but I don't see why or how a document recording that a valve close to the edge is close to the edge and an operative is at risk helps those maintaining the equipment. Your designers need a document justifying the design to be able to demonstrate that they've discharged their duties, but that isn't something that needs handing over to those maintaining the plant. If you need to service a valve close to an unprotected edge, does it make it safer if you know why the valve is close to the edge?
If, however, the designers have incorporated something clever that lets the maintenance be done without going close to the edge, that should be documented and passed along, but again, I don't think that would look like a DRA, it would look like a maintenance manual.
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You're right to highlight access, maintenance and decommissioning issues, aspects not universally or routinely considered by M&E designers. You mention that your Organisation conducts DEsigner and Principal Contractor duties. Are you also commissioned to maintain the equipment you install? IS there a compelling business case for a greater appreciation and consideration of the issues you mention (i.e. time and money to be saved)? Is there a group of employees within the Organisation that your Designers could learn from? Are there reputational issues (allied to repeat orders and competition) which could be improved by a greater consideration of life cycle costs at the design stage?
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