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jarsmith83  
#1 Posted : 17 July 2014 10:42:42(UTC)
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jarsmith83

Hi All Other than the HSG65 Doc, is there anyone that has any ideas of what good health and safety management should be? I am thinking from more of a strategic stand point..... Any feedback appreciated, and if anyone has a power point or alike it would be more than appreciated. Thanks All in advance.......
chris.packham  
#2 Posted : 17 July 2014 10:56:17(UTC)
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chris.packham

For me it is simply that from top management down throughout the organisation there is a conviction that everyone should walk away from the workplace at the end of the day in at least as good (if not better) state of health as when they arrived in the morning. How an organisation achieves this will depend upon the nature of what the organisation does. I don't believe that the measures required for a hospital are those that necessarily would be right for an offshore oil rig, although the basic principles of risk assessment and management will apply to both. Chris
MrsBlue  
#3 Posted : 17 July 2014 11:07:42(UTC)
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It should be Education, Education and more Education on every subject relevant to each and every worker. Rich
JohnW  
#4 Posted : 17 July 2014 11:29:31(UTC)
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JohnW

My main customer has improved their safety management over recent years, and as well as OHSAS 181001 they have now achieved the British Safety Council 5 Star Award (it took three years starting from a 2 star!). The BSC's audit specification for safety management, as expected, covers safety culture, leadership, training, supervision procedures, safety performance etc and might be useful for you to look at that, here it is https://www.britsafe.org...audit_spec_low_res_0.pdf The recent revamp of their audit is explained here https://www.britsafe.org...d-british-safety-council John
jwk  
#5 Posted : 17 July 2014 12:08:09(UTC)
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jwk

Good H&S management should be almost invisible, in that it shouldn't live in a little box called H&S but should be part of overall workplace culture. It needs to be integrated with general management, and form one strand of an enterprise risk management system. There is some good stuff on culture on the HSE website, starts with visibility from the top, John
Ron Hunter  
#6 Posted : 17 July 2014 12:29:02(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Leadership. INDG417
jay  
#7 Posted : 17 July 2014 12:37:29(UTC)
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jay

The OHSAS 18001 model has in it primary/Key elements, 1)OH&S policy 2)Planning 3)Implementation and operation 4)Checking & 5)Management review There is a legal basis too, referring to regulation 5 of the Management Regs, essentially requiring "arrangements" for 1) Planning 2)Organisation 3)Control 4) Monitoring & 5) Review Obviously, there are sub-elements of the above. A useful, but now out of date information from the HSE Website:- Comparison of HSG 65 with other key management ‘standards’:- http://www.hse.gov.uk/fo...pect/mast/comparison.htm There have been developments since the above was published! HSG 65 now has the familiar Plan Do Check Act methodology BS 8800:2004 (Health and Safety Management Guidance Standard) has been superceeded by BS 18004:2008 BS EN ISO 9001:2000, (Quality Management standard) has been superceeded by BS EN ISO 9001:2008 and there is a draft for consultation out recently for the revised version BS EN ISO 14001:2004 (Environmental Management standard) -There is a draft from ISO for the revision and the revised version expected in 2015 BS OHSAS 18001:2007 (Occupational Health and Safety Management standard)--Work has commnced at ISO level for an ISO standard, ISO 45001 expected to be published in 2016 ILO OSH: 2001 (Guidelines on Occupational Health and Safety Management Systems) CIA Responsible Care Management System Framework Our system which is NOT certificated by third party, but is a part of a larger Corporate Health, Safety, Security and Environmental Management System has the following:- 1. Management, leadership, commitment and accountability. 2. Risk assessment and management. 3. Facilities design and construction. 4. Information and documentation. 5. Personnel and training. 6. Operations and maintenance. 7. Management of change. 8. Third-party services. 9. Incident investigation and analysis. 10. Community awareness and emergency preparedness. 11. Operations integrity assessment and improvement.
jay  
#8 Posted : 17 July 2014 12:55:11(UTC)
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jay

In our case, at a Leadership (aka strategic) level:- 1. The HSSE management system for is established, communicated, and supported at every level in the organization. The system addresses HSS&E policies and expectations 2. Roles, responsibilities, authorities, and accountabilities for the system are documented and exercised. 3. A process is in place for ensuring that the system requirements are translated into procedures and practices, including a process for review and approval of deviations. 4.Operating management establishes the scope, priority, and pace for system implementation and execution considering the complexity and risks involved with their operations and products, and provides appropriate resources. Business objectives are consistent with HSSE System expectations. 5. HSS&E goals and objectives are established and communicated throughout the organization. Performance, as measured by both leading and lagging indicators, is assessed and stewarded to management. 6) An HSSE System improvement plan is developed and periodically updated. 7. Managers and supervisors credibly demonstrate commitment and personal accountability for Operations Integrity through active and visible participation, promote an open and trusting environment, understand how their behaviors impact others, and intervene as necessary to address at-risk behaviors. Desired behavioral attributes are defined. 8.Manager and supervisor knowledge and skills, including leadership skills and behaviors, are developed to effectively apply HSSE management tools and systems, including training for front line operations and supervisors in HSSE management fundamentals. 9. The system ensures active workforce engagement in the HSSE Management System process. 10. Recognition programs are established to reinforce desired HSS&E performance and behavior/actions. 11. The system provides for management of follow-up on HSSE Management System recommendations and action items through resolution. Priority of follow-up actions is based on risk. 12. The system ensures that key HSSE management System learnings are shared across the organization.
jontyjohnston  
#9 Posted : 17 July 2014 15:03:36(UTC)
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jontyjohnston

I think Chris summed it up nicely! We have 6 core values developed, published and supported by the executive team, one states SAFETY IS NEVER COMPROMISED And I have an executive team that means what it says - done deal for me - no accidents in 7 years..... Jonty
jarsmith83  
#10 Posted : 18 July 2014 08:48:31(UTC)
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jarsmith83

jontyjohnston wrote:
I think Chris summed it up nicely! We have 6 core values developed, published and supported by the executive team, one states SAFETY IS NEVER COMPROMISED And I have an executive team that means what it says - done deal for me - no accidents in 7 years..... Jonty
No accidents in 7 years......blimey! Thanks all for the input, really appreciate the feedback.
jay  
#11 Posted : 18 July 2014 09:26:39(UTC)
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jay

It depends upon what you mean by "strategic level". Many organisations have a single "vision" objective, such as "Zero Harm" or "Nobody Gets Hurt" that essentially sums up what Chris was alluding to. However, even at stategic level, to put it into practice, there needs to be a few bullet points on obectives and how, primarly for the top leadership, but also others will put it into practice. Regarding the result, "No accidents in 7 years, can you elaborate? Is this with reference to RIDDOR or some other criteria ( such as OSHA) and does it include first-aid accidents?
RayRapp  
#12 Posted : 18 July 2014 12:25:11(UTC)
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RayRapp

Good health and safety management will be different things to different folks. Simply identifying accidents, or the lack, is not necessarily evidence of good health and safety management. I have never worked at an organisation where health and safety is the number one priority yet. Indeed, many moons ago I was waiting for an interview for a H&S Manager when I noticed all these wonderful certificates in reception - a million hours without a LTI... During the interview I remarked how was that possible in a high risk environment. I was told by the incumbent manager that "we don't have accidents because the guys know it's their fault and they will face the consequences". I replied, "assuming they are still alive"! Never got the job - Lol.
PeterDWilliams  
#13 Posted : 19 July 2014 12:45:10(UTC)
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PeterDWilliams

A good safety and health management system is an essential part of the Organisation's management system which should covers, the health and safety work organisation and related policy of a company, the planning process for accident and health prevention, the practices, procedures and resources for developing, reviewing and maintaining the professional safety and health policy.
pete48  
#14 Posted : 19 July 2014 21:20:58(UTC)
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pete48

It's when an undertaking manages OSH to the same technical, financial and commercial management skill levels as are applied to other areas essential to the success of the undertaking. Add your own details. For example Links to HR for human factors/Engineering or Facilities for primary safety/Risk management principles/Cost benefit/Checks and balances etc etc p48
chris.packham  
#15 Posted : 20 July 2014 08:12:16(UTC)
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chris.packham

My original posting merely responded to the original question by stating an overall aim for good health and safety management. How this aim is achieved will vary from organisation to organisation, according to the industrial/occupational sector, the geographical location, local regulations, etc., etc. I always mistrust slogans such as 'zero risk'. Really? The moment I get in my motor car to visit a client I am exposed to other users of the highway. So however carefully I drive can I ever claim to be in a zero risk environment? We are dealing with people and people are unpredictable, fallible, can be distracted by other issues than the task that they are performing. The most we can to is to strive to structure the workplace, equipment, etc. such that their failings can be contained and harm to them or others minimised. It is this challenge that I find keeps me going. Chris
westonphil  
#16 Posted : 20 July 2014 14:17:44(UTC)
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westonphil

Good H&S management is an integral part of a good management culture which understands its hazards/risks and implements proportionate precautions in order to ensure the health and safety of its workforce, so far as is reasonably practicable, because it understands that people matter. Regards.
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