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Bigmac1  
#1 Posted : 08 August 2014 19:47:32(UTC)
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Bigmac1

Just an open question, feel free to comment. Scenario Power washing a wooden cooling tower using a diesel generator. Operatives fully trained. Now the question. Any significant risk? It's that simple. It's not a trick question. Gary
chris.packham  
#2 Posted : 08 August 2014 23:03:47(UTC)
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chris.packham

Gary Simple question deserves simple answer, which is 'yes', several depending upon the exact circumstances. Would need more details to be able to be more precise. Chris
Bigmac1  
#3 Posted : 10 August 2014 11:46:07(UTC)
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Bigmac1

R.A made no mention of the the task above. On enquiry, the reason given was it was core skill.Their risk perception must be different to mine as the POW and S.A couldn't see any significant risk with the operation.
westonphil  
#4 Posted : 10 August 2014 13:07:52(UTC)
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westonphil

Bigmac1 wrote:
R.A made no mention of the the task above. On enquiry, the reason given was it was core skill.Their risk perception must be different to mine as the POW and S.A couldn't see any significant risk with the operation.
As we all know, different people more often than not have different risk perceptions and hence we work together to share our knowledge and skills. Safety Advisors are not always superhuman and all knowing and sometimes make mistakes and/or else do not always fully see all the risks with regards to the hazards they deal with every day; hence it is often good to have other people 'challenging' the RA's, SSoW's, advice etc. Regards
Bigmac1  
#5 Posted : 10 August 2014 14:41:53(UTC)
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Bigmac1

Thank Phil. That's what happened, we challenged and in discussions that followed they still couldn't see any significant risk even when oil was leaking onto the exhaust and smoking, no risk of fire? with no R.A no fire extinguisher was made available. Bigmac
Animax01  
#6 Posted : 11 August 2014 09:51:17(UTC)
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Animax01

I suppose there are side issues too, such as the fuel for the generator. How and where is this stored?
Xavier123  
#7 Posted : 11 August 2014 10:20:59(UTC)
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Xavier123

Not to mention that power/jet washing cooling towers is to be avoided (check L8) where possible for reasons of generating aerosol including potential biofilm from within the tower. Extra control measures such as RPE, tenting off, closing nearby windows/air intakes all recommended in such circumstances.
chris.packham  
#8 Posted : 11 August 2014 11:28:01(UTC)
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chris.packham

And, of course, if chemicals are being used, adequate protection of the whole body. High pressure water jets also present a physical hazard, so appropriate safe working procedure will be needed. Chris
hilary  
#9 Posted : 11 August 2014 11:51:17(UTC)
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hilary

My immediate knee jerk would be one of making legionellosis bacteria present inside the cooling tower airborne - so I'm with Xavier on this one. But then there would be other considerations pertaining to confined space, any wood mites or microscopic creatures, pressure of the water jet, number of operatives, personal protective equipment including breathing apparatus (legionellosis and microscopic organisms), wellington boots and waterproof coveralls. Diesel generator, presumably being used outside? If inside you need to look at ventilation issues. How are you storing diesel, is it bunded? What about the pipework, is that protected to prevent leaks and accidental spillages and do you have spill containment to hand. It could be that you are simply washing the outside of the tower in which case most of the above will not apply but you need to come up with a method statement and risk assessment just to cover yourself on this.
Bigmac1  
#10 Posted : 12 August 2014 09:35:13(UTC)
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Bigmac1

Thank you all for your replies, just as I thought I am not going doo lally, now trying to get the message to sink in with people is an all too tougher task. Gary
chris42  
#11 Posted : 12 August 2014 09:48:47(UTC)
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chris42

If it may blast the paint off you may want to consider the age of the paint (lead?). Not sure what you may do, but worth thinking about a little bit.
BJC  
#12 Posted : 12 August 2014 10:46:19(UTC)
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If properly trained with the right equipment then NO.
JohnW  
#13 Posted : 13 August 2014 16:08:45(UTC)
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JohnW

The operatives are fully trained? But how good at they doing what they were taught? If you don't know (e.g. job not supervised) then there is a significant risk, e.g. improper use of PPE, horse play etc Is the person who did the risk assessment fully trained? If not then there is a significant risk - he may have not considered work at height precautions, e.g. who can build a mobile tower - he may not have conducted a hand-arm vibration HAVS assessment, what is the max time using the washer before the ELV is exceeded? - he may not have conducted noise measurements so he might not recommend the correct ear protection with appropriate NR - he may have not considered the manual handling issues associated with carrying materials - he may have not considered what fumes can be generated, what RPE may be required - there may be other things he has not considered :0) John
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