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jarsmith83  
#1 Posted : 16 September 2014 15:59:32(UTC)
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jarsmith83

Hi All

We have had an instruction to assess works taking place involving a scaffold being built. The scaffold is being built over water (the Thames to be specific). The method statement states "scaffolders to be clipped on at all times" which is fine, there is to be an emergency rescue plan to be accompanying this however, they mention working over as a hazard, but the control measure is a life jacket with checks.

Question: What would people expect back from this contractor as an acceptable emergency plan? As I am certain this is not acceptable to basically allude that they are reliant on the life guard!

Any help appreciated;

Thanks in advance...
Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 16 September 2014 16:10:29(UTC)
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Roundtuit

For a tidal river I would expect the provision of a rescue boat with both pilot and trained rescuer at a position down flow from the place of work during the assembly / disassembly of the scaffold.

And consultation with the EA / Local Authority / Thames Police?
Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 16 September 2014 16:10:29(UTC)
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Roundtuit

For a tidal river I would expect the provision of a rescue boat with both pilot and trained rescuer at a position down flow from the place of work during the assembly / disassembly of the scaffold.

And consultation with the EA / Local Authority / Thames Police?
jarsmith83  
#4 Posted : 16 September 2014 16:22:08(UTC)
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jarsmith83

Roundtuit wrote:
For a tidal river I would expect the provision of a rescue boat with both pilot and trained rescuer at a position down flow from the place of work during the assembly / disassembly of the scaffold.

And consultation with the EA / Local Authority / Thames Police?


Thanks Roundtiut

This is the kind of thing I would have expected but was doubting myself as I am being kind of labelled a trouble make for being so fussy. i am not an expert around working over water, but was conerned that people are being rather blase.
A Kurdziel  
#5 Posted : 16 September 2014 17:04:19(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

If it is the Thames Tideway below Teddington Lock then it is the respobsibility of the Port of London Authority
chris42  
#6 Posted : 16 September 2014 18:02:04(UTC)
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chris42

Could they land in the river bank mud ?, if so how will you get them out ?

Also someone on the bank with air horn to raise the alarm.

Chris
achrn  
#7 Posted : 17 September 2014 08:54:37(UTC)
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achrn

Last I had any control over scaffolding over tidal water, we had a rescue boat in the water and an additional person watching from the bank (which was me, much of the time) the whole time the scaffolders were working.

We didn't have mud to deal with - it was solid ground you could walk on under the bridge when the tide was out. The method statement included lowering tube and fittings down to the river bed and walking it to the bank when the tide was out, which was fine, but the scaffolders thought this should be allowed to carry on until the water was lapping around their upper chests, which was less clever.
rusty 01  
#8 Posted : 17 September 2014 11:44:59(UTC)
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rusty 01


Have you considered talking to the RNLI. they have a fully manned base on the Thames.
consider what their response times are. weigh up the following:
How would you get an unconscious person from the water on to a high brick bank?
As mentioned what if the tide is out? Hyperthermia and shock would also be an issue that would need to be covered with your first aid needs.
They would also suggest other areas you may need to consider.

With all the variables it may be better to call the RNLI and worry about Clipping on, life belts and life Buoys.
I know reliance on others/ emergency services is not the best solution but considering the Thames is a fast flowing river with drag/undercurrents changing all the time, only a skilled Pilot should be on the boat due to the potential of your own rescue team getting in to difficulty.

in any case I am sure they can give sound advice.
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